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Post by RedRum on Jan 25, 2024 7:46:59 GMT
I am not sure if this happens a lot or it's just electioneering.
"Sir Keir Starmer claims he will put an end to 'apology letters' that allow youths to dodge knife crime charges".
If it does, one has to wonder what are justice system are up to giving a free pass to thugs.
There is only one way to deal with those that carry/use knives on our streets and that is bang them up.
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Post by Orac on Jan 25, 2024 12:51:01 GMT
I think there should be a big distinction between carrying a knife and using a knife. Also between using a knife defensively and using to assault someone
As the chaos rises, the law abiding have to be allowed to defend themselves
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Post by RedRum on Jan 25, 2024 13:04:08 GMT
I agree but I think it is a sad indictment of our society that some people feel the need to defend themselves with a knife.
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Post by montegriffo on Jan 25, 2024 13:50:58 GMT
Carrying weapons for self defence is an escalatory policy which just ends up with more weapons on the streets and diminishes the power of the police to control violent crime.
If you wonder where that ends up see America.
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Post by RedRum on Jan 25, 2024 16:39:50 GMT
Knife crime is a big issue in this country and gun crime now seem to to be on the rise.
I wonder if there is an 'apology' clause for gun crime.
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Post by Orac on Jan 25, 2024 17:22:25 GMT
I agree but I think it is a sad indictment of our society that some people feel the need to defend themselves with a knife. Society isn't dealing properly with crime. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 25, 2024 17:25:04 GMT
Carrying weapons for self defence is an escalatory policy which just ends up with more weapons on the streets and diminishes the power of the police to control violent crime. If you wonder where that ends up see America. Stopping people defending themselves is just a handy way to force the problem onto the law abiding If the authorities want people to behave as if the risk of being unarmed is low, then they should provide the security that makes this the case - rather than force everyone to pretend it is at their own risk |
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Post by montegriffo on Jan 25, 2024 17:50:33 GMT
Carrying weapons for self defence is an escalatory policy which just ends up with more weapons on the streets and diminishes the power of the police to control violent crime. If you wonder where that ends up see America. Stopping people defending themselves is just a handy way to force the problem onto the law abiding If the authorities want people to behave as if the risk of being unarmed is low, then they should provide the security that makes this the case - rather than force everyone to pretend it is at their own risk If you change the law to allow weapons to be carried for self defence you make it virtually impossible for the police to disarm those carrying weapons to commit crime. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 26, 2024 0:03:02 GMT
Stopping people defending themselves is just a handy way to force the problem onto the law abiding If the authorities want people to behave as if the risk of being unarmed is low, then they should provide the security that makes this the case - rather than force everyone to pretend it is at their own risk If you change the law to allow weapons to be carried for self defence you make it virtually impossible for the police to disarm those carrying weapons to commit crime. Correct. What you instead do is arrest people when they commit a crime. Then you prosecute and sentence them properly |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 22:16:45 GMT
I think there should be a big distinction between carrying a knife and using a knife. Also between using a knife defensively and using to assault someone As the chaos rises, the law abiding have to be allowed to defend themselves I disagree, there should be no distinction. If people were allowed to carry a knife for personal protection then all of a sudden everyone would carry a knife and if you get into a row and you have a knife in your pocket the chances are you're going to use it. No, the penalties for carrying a knife should be increased and in areas where knife crime is a problem the police should massively increase stop and search. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2024 10:42:19 GMT
I think there should be a big distinction between carrying a knife and using a knife. Also between using a knife defensively and using to assault someone As the chaos rises, the law abiding have to be allowed to defend themselves I disagree, there should be no distinction. If people were allowed to carry a knife for personal protection then all of a sudden everyone would carry a knife and if you get into a row and you have a knife in your pocket the chances are you're going to use it. No, the penalties for carrying a knife should be increased and in areas where knife crime is a problem the police should massively increase stop and search. This is a great idea if you have well established law and order. However, if you are asking your law abiding citizens to basically disarm in the face of a armed criminal carnival, it becomes abusive (imho) |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 17, 2024 4:47:32 GMT
I disagree, there should be no distinction. If people were allowed to carry a knife for personal protection then all of a sudden everyone would carry a knife and if you get into a row and you have a knife in your pocket the chances are you're going to use it. No, the penalties for carrying a knife should be increased and in areas where knife crime is a problem the police should massively increase stop and search. This is a great idea if you have well established law and order. However, if you are asking your law abiding citizens to basically disarm in the face of a armed criminal carnival, it becomes abusive (imho) We do have well established law and order in this country. OK... we used to have well established law and order in this country. Sadly with the advent of multiculturalism law and order seems to have gone to ratshit. And as we all know if you so much as raise a quizzical eyebrow you're a nasty hate filled far right extremist. Fortunately this doesn't affect Mrs R and I, and by the time it gets here we'll be long dead. |
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Post by RedRum on Mar 20, 2024 18:02:56 GMT
Why is it multiculturism is the problem?
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 20, 2024 20:00:01 GMT
Why is it multiculturism is the problem? It isn't. It is merely the scapegoat for cuts to police funding and mismanagement of the police force. For some people it is the cause of all our ills and much easier to blame for society's problems than actually addressing the underlying causes of crime such as poverty and feelings of social exclusion. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 21, 2024 6:42:37 GMT
Why is it multiculturism is the problem? Because law and order and how to deal with it are part of a culture - as are things like the raising of children |
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