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Post by Zany on Mar 27, 2024 8:07:57 GMT
I preferred Thomas of Hookton. Thanks for the tip. I'll have a look. But the sword replaced the spear because in a running battle the sword was more versatile. One to one a spear might win, but battles were not fought one to one in a big arena.
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Post by totheleft on Mar 27, 2024 8:26:57 GMT
Knife crime is a big issue in this country and gun crime now seem to to be on the rise. I wonder if there is an 'apology' clause for gun crime. Gun crime has seen a huge decline Like you said knife crime is a Ever day occasion what is scary because of the physical contact. But you can't rely on a justice system that doesn't even give justice for Rape victims
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Post by Orac on Mar 27, 2024 8:28:34 GMT
Spears require a high degree of co-ordination and disciplined formation. They are pretty damn effective in formation. However, once the formation breaks up, you would want every spearman to be a swordsman. Also spear formations are a counter to cavalry - swords, not so much
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Post by totheleft on Mar 27, 2024 8:33:19 GMT
A radical change in how we treat drug users is also required. We could start by adopting Canada's extremely successful approach to cannabis where it has been fully legalised and is now a multi billion dollar industry paying taxes. This has almost eradicated organised crime from the production and distribution of weed. Then we could use the revenue generated from that to adopt Portugal's successful approach to hard drug use where it is treated as a medical matter and not a criminal one. A government funded rehab facility in every city is what we need not prisons full of junkies. This will also clear up a lot of the homelessness. I feel legalishing any drug is a dangerous step .the dealers will just bring in more potent Drugs . And cheaper Look at Mets in America at least we don't have that problem
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 8:39:40 GMT
I preferred Thomas of Hookton. Thanks for the tip. I'll have a look. But the sword replaced the spear because in a running battle the sword was more versatile. One to one a spear might win, but battles were not fought one to one in a big arena. The sword never replaced the spear. Even in the age of gunpowder the spear is still used. What do you think a bayonet is but a way of turning your rifle into a spear. Did you watch the video? Lindybeige is quite funny and very knowledgeable, in almost all scenarios the spear wins out against the sword. Thomas of Hookton is Cornwall's look into the archer in the time of the 100 year war. His portrayal of the battle of Crecy in the first book of the series is spot on. The final book and the search for the Holy Grail gets a bit silly but it's a great read.
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Post by Zany on Mar 27, 2024 8:50:21 GMT
Knife crime is a big issue in this country and gun crime now seem to to be on the rise. I wonder if there is an 'apology' clause for gun crime. Gun crime has seen a huge decline Like you said knife crime is a Ever day occasion what is scary because of the physical contact. But you can't rely on a justice system that doesn't even give justice for Rape victims I've tried to find out just how many apology letters have been issued, but can't find anything. What I don't understand is why there are instead of prosecution rather than as well as.
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Post by Zany on Mar 27, 2024 8:57:05 GMT
Thanks for the tip. I'll have a look. But the sword replaced the spear because in a running battle the sword was more versatile. One to one a spear might win, but battles were not fought one to one in a big arena. The sword never replaced the spear. Even in the age of gunpowder the spear is still used. What do you think a bayonet is but a way of turning your rifle into a spear. Did you watch the video? Lindybeige is quite funny and very knowledgeable, in almost all scenarios the spear wins out against the sword. Thomas of Hookton is Cornwall's look into the archer in the time of the 100 year war. His portrayal of the battle of Crecy in the first book of the series is spot on. The final book and the search for the Holy Grail gets a bit silly but it's a great read. The weapon of choice before the Musket was the sword. The bayonet was a way of adding a knife/sword to what you carried. A 19" blade on the end of a gun. But still not so good against a sword. Interestingly Musket were considered a weapon of fear as it was so inaccurate. The rifle on the other hand.... Yet Napoleon refused to adopt them. The archer is another fantastic leap in warfare.
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 9:34:53 GMT
The sword never replaced the spear. Even in the age of gunpowder the spear is still used. What do you think a bayonet is but a way of turning your rifle into a spear. Did you watch the video? Lindybeige is quite funny and very knowledgeable, in almost all scenarios the spear wins out against the sword. Thomas of Hookton is Cornwall's look into the archer in the time of the 100 year war. His portrayal of the battle of Crecy in the first book of the series is spot on. The final book and the search for the Holy Grail gets a bit silly but it's a great read. The weapon of choice before the Musket was the sword. The bayonet was a way of adding a knife/sword to what you carried. A 19" blade on the end of a gun. But still not so good against a sword. Interestingly Musket were considered a weapon of fear as it was so inaccurate. The rifle on the other hand.... Yet Napoleon refused to adopt them. The archer is another fantastic leap in warfare. I still disagree over the sword versus the spear. The archer though was a game changer. Once it was applied in mass formation (developed by the Normans after their encounters with the Welsh) it effectively became artillery with a range of 200 yards. A greater range than the musket even and with a far greater rate of fire. Had England been able to keep and train large numbers of archers Waterloo would have been over before lunch.
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 9:39:44 GMT
It was said that an archer could loose 3 arrows and have the 4th one on the string before the 1st one hit the ground. A bit of an exaggeration perhaps but in a matter of seconds 5,000 archers could have 20,000 very sharp quarter pound projectiles down range. They would have decimated Napoleon's tightly packed infantry squares and massacred his cavalry.
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Post by Zany on Mar 27, 2024 15:42:38 GMT
The weapon of choice before the Musket was the sword. The bayonet was a way of adding a knife/sword to what you carried. A 19" blade on the end of a gun. But still not so good against a sword. Interestingly Musket were considered a weapon of fear as it was so inaccurate. The rifle on the other hand.... Yet Napoleon refused to adopt them. The archer is another fantastic leap in warfare. I still disagree over the sword versus the spear. The archer though was a game changer. Once it was applied in mass formation (developed by the Normans after their encounters with the Welsh) it effectively became artillery with a range of 200 yards. A greater range than the musket even and with a far greater rate of fire. Had England been able to keep and train large numbers of archers Waterloo would have been over before lunch. Agincourt was a show piece for the long bow and the latest invention 'the Bodkin' really changed the battle. The French knights believed their armour was impervious to arrows. They marched slowly up the hill and were slaughtered like pigs. Yes agree on the rate of fire, though you had to be immensely strong to use one. They had the same range as the crossbow which had a winch and used two men to operate it. One to shield the other while they carried out the slow loading process. And again like the rifle, the French refused to adopt the long bow. I was disappointed by the battle of Waterloo. It was not Wellingtons finest battle (And he was a brilliant General) He won against huge odds but it was more at the sacrifice of thousands of lives than some fantastic strategy.
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 20:43:04 GMT
I haven't read up on the Napoleon era as much as I have the medieval period. I do know that it was still a close run thing until Blucher arrived at the end of the day and the French moral collapsed. I also know that Napoleon's army by the time of Waterloo wasn't a shadow of the Grande Armee he had at the height of his powers.
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 21:39:43 GMT
I still disagree over the sword versus the spear. The archer though was a game changer. Once it was applied in mass formation (developed by the Normans after their encounters with the Welsh) it effectively became artillery with a range of 200 yards. A greater range than the musket even and with a far greater rate of fire. Had England been able to keep and train large numbers of archers Waterloo would have been over before lunch. Agincourt was a show piece for the long bow and the latest invention 'the Bodkin' really changed the battle. The French knights believed their armour was impervious to arrows. They marched slowly up the hill and were slaughtered like pigs. Yes agree on the rate of fire, though you had to be immensely strong to use one. They had the same range as the crossbow which had a winch and used two men to operate it. One to shield the other while they carried out the slow loading process. And again like the rifle, the French refused to adopt the long bow. I was disappointed by the battle of Waterloo. It was not Wellingtons finest battle (And he was a brilliant General) He won against huge odds but it was more at the sacrifice of thousands of lives than some fantastic strategy. Apologies for going off topic RR but... Agincourt was actually quite late in the 100 years war. Some 80 odd years after Crecy. It was Crecy that showed the lethality of the longbow. The French and allied knights felt they were invincible against mere yeomen in their light armour on foot. First sending in their hired Genoese crossbow men (without their protective shields which were still on the boats) with wet strings due to the British weather the battle was fought in. Archers could keep their strings dry by simply removing them from their bows to keep them dry (the origin of the phrase keeping it under your hat) while the crossbow was far more difficult to unstring. So when the crossbowmen advanced they found they were outranged by the longbows of the English and without their Pavise (shield) for protection they were decimated and fled. The French knights suspecting treachery then cut them down as they fled. After that the French sent wave after wave of cavalry charges up a wet and slippery slope to be massacred in their thousands by a hail of arrows. Many of the great heads of European aristocracy including kings were killed without even reaching the English men at arms. It was not just a victory for the archer but also the new tactic of dismounting and fighting from a defensive position (learned by Edward I in his defeats against the Scots led by the likes of William Wallace, Braveheart). The amazing thing is that the French never seemed to learn from this and suffered defeat after defeat against the English using the same failed tactics right up to Agincourt and beyond. It was not until the development of gunpowder and cannon brought an end to the era of castles that the French were finally able to kick the English out of France (apart from Calais which we held for almost 300 years).
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Post by Zany on Mar 27, 2024 23:00:41 GMT
I haven't read up on the Napoleon era as much as I have the medieval period. I do know that it was still a close run thing until Blucher arrived at the end of the day and the French moral collapsed. I also know that Napoleon's army by the time of Waterloo wasn't a shadow of the Grande Armee he had at the height of his powers. After Napoleon escaped from Elba masses of Belgium and French soldiers flocked to him. His faithful had used the war chest to buy hundreds of cannons (His favourite weapon) He was a very popular leader in France and his soldiers would gladly die for him. And that was the trouble, Napoleon didn't care about them in return. He marched them into the British muskets again and again, 30,000 killed. The British soldiers were scum, criminals many of whom faced joining the army or hanging. But the qualification for not hanging was that you had to be able to fire three musket shots in less than a minute. That was quite an incentive. Anyway Wellington was outnumbered and his Belgium forces deserted. So all he did was stand his men in squares the French cavalry couldn't hack to bits and watch while the French cannons ripped them apart while they fired, loaded fired again and again for 9 hours. Suddenly the French just broke and ran, the British cavalry charged and before the French could regroup the Prussians arrived. That's it in a nutshell. Most of Wellingtons other battles are far more canny. Wellington never forgave the Prussians for taking 9 hours to travel 18 miles to the battle.
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 23:15:54 GMT
Napoleon no longer had some of his best officers and didn't have the command structure he was used to. This meant he was less able to control the battle through discipline and manoeuvre as he had in his great victories. He may have had large numbers of well armed soldiers but he no longer had a great army.
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Post by Zany on Mar 27, 2024 23:20:22 GMT
Napoleon no longer had some of his best officers and didn't have the command structure he was used to. This meant he was less able to control the battle through discipline and manoeuvre as he had in his great victories. He may have had large numbers of well armed soldiers but he no longer had a great army. Agreed. Though you should read up about his battles against the British in Portugal. He was good but Wellington was better.
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