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Post by Saint on Sept 21, 2024 23:22:55 GMT
Starmer is said to have received free gifts to the value of over £100,000 and Farage recently received a free gift to the value of £30,000.
Is there anything wrong with this if they declare the gifts?
Not really, I suppose, but it's better to keep things simple. So, they're not scroungers (as claimed by some), but I'd rather see a complete ban on gifts.
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 7:37:41 GMT
I think the biggest problem with these small gifts is that they are a distraction.
They are currently filling the gap in the news and therefore gain an importance they simply don't have.
When we talk of government corruption we generally don't mean a free shirt.
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 8:05:31 GMT
There's no such thing as a free gift in politics.
Gifts come with obligations.
Ban them completely.
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 9:27:39 GMT
There's no such thing as a free gift in politics. Gifts come with obligations. Ban them completely. Depends on how much influence you think a dress will have. Do we ban politicians receiving birthday and Christmas presents? |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 9:37:03 GMT
There's no such thing as a free gift in politics. Gifts come with obligations. Ban them completely. Depends on how much influence you think a dress will have. Do we ban politicians receiving birthday and Christmas presents? Nothing over twenty quid for birthdays and ban Christmas altogether. It's all in my manifesto. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 9:39:19 GMT
Depends on how much influence you think a dress will have. Do we ban politicians receiving birthday and Christmas presents? Nothing over twenty quid for birthdays and ban Christmas altogether. It's all in my manifesto. To be clear, the Starmers best friends can no longer buy them Christmas presents? |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 9:43:43 GMT
Nothing over twenty quid for birthdays and ban Christmas altogether. It's all in my manifesto. To be clear, the Starmers best friends can no longer buy them Christmas presents? Christmas will be banned due to environmental concerns and shops playing festive songs in August. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 10:09:49 GMT
To be clear, the Starmers best friends can no longer buy them Christmas presents? Christmas will be banned due to environmental concerns and shops playing festive songs in August. Beg your pardon I hadn't realised you were being daft. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 10:22:43 GMT
Christmas will be banned due to environmental concerns and shops playing festive songs in August. Beg your pardon I hadn't realised you were being daft. I'm not. Christmas is an environmental holocaust. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 10:28:42 GMT
Beg your pardon I hadn't realised you were being daft. I'm not. Christmas is an environmental holocaust. And a wonderful time of year. I may be destroying all the fun on a forum, but you want to destroy all the fun of a country. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 11:07:04 GMT
A little fun on an obscure forum does no harm.
Christmas is worse than Hitler.
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2024 11:19:30 GMT
There's no such thing as a free gift in politics. Gifts come with obligations. Ban them completely. Nah, as long as they are fully declared and not closely associated with a decision in the donor's favour the risk is low. Cash for honours was OTT. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 11:41:53 GMT
There's no such thing as a free gift in politics. Gifts come with obligations. Ban them completely. Nah, as long as they are fully declared and not closely associated with a decision in the donor's favour the risk is low. Cash for honours was OTT. Declared or not, nobody gives a £30,000 gift without expecting something in return. Just ban gifts. Ban lobbyists donating to political parties too. It's all too open to corruption. |
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Post by equivocal on Sept 22, 2024 11:45:59 GMT
There's no such thing as a free gift in politics. Gifts come with obligations. Ban them completely. Nah, as long as they are fully declared and not closely associated with a decision in the donor's favour the risk is low. Cash for honours was OTT. I'm not sure it signals a risk of corruption; frankly, I doubt the dresses, suits and specs do that at all. On the other hand, it's not a good look to be cutting winter fuel allowance while accepting thousands in, what are after all, personal goodies. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2024 11:48:48 GMT
Nah, as long as they are fully declared and not closely associated with a decision in the donor's favour the risk is low. Cash for honours was OTT. Declared or not, nobody gives a £30,000 gift without expecting something in return. . . . Yes they do. When someone has a net worth of say £200M then £30k is roughly the equivalent of you or I giving a £10 Amazon voucher |
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