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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 12:00:06 GMT
Declared or not, nobody gives a £30,000 gift without expecting something in return. . . . Yes they do. When someone has a net worth of say £200M then £30k is roughly the equivalent of you or I giving a £10 Amazon voucher It's not like receiving a £10 voucher for Starmer though. £30k is equivalent to half his salary after tax. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 12:33:02 GMT
Nah, as long as they are fully declared and not closely associated with a decision in the donor's favour the risk is low. Cash for honours was OTT. Declared or not, nobody gives a £30,000 gift without expecting something in return. Just ban gifts. Ban lobbyists donating to political parties too. It's all too open to corruption. Some do. Anyone who donates a fiver to the Labour party hopes to get labour in and hopes they will act in a 'Labour' way. Same can be true of a £30,000 donation. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 12:34:12 GMT
Yes they do. When someone has a net worth of say £200M then £30k is roughly the equivalent of you or I giving a £10 Amazon voucher It's not like receiving a £10 voucher for Starmer though. £30k is equivalent to half his salary after tax. Then show us what Starmer gave in return. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 12:44:48 GMT
It's not like receiving a £10 voucher for Starmer though. £30k is equivalent to half his salary after tax. Then show us what Starmer gave in return. He may not have returned the favour yet. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 12:48:52 GMT
Then show us what Starmer gave in return. He may not have returned the favour yet. Well keep watching him. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 12:53:12 GMT
He may not have returned the favour yet. Well keep watching him. Be easier to just ban bribes of any kind. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 12:54:41 GMT
Be easier to just ban bribes of any kind. Agreed, just stick to gifts. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 12:59:30 GMT
Gifts are bribes in disguise.
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 13:09:01 GMT
Gifts are bribes in disguise. Not always, as discussed. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2024 14:20:11 GMT
Gifts are bribes in disguise. Jeez I bet you're real popular at Christmas. Do you get specially marked 'bribe tags' where others use 'gift tags'? The actual truth is some people like Lord Waheed Alli want to see Starmer succeed and realise that his wife turning up in good clothes will have a positive impact. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 22, 2024 15:22:07 GMT
Gifts are bribes in disguise. Jeez I bet you're real popular at Christmas. Do you get specially marked 'bribe tags' where others use 'gift tags'? The actual truth is some people like Lord Waheed Alli want to see Starmer succeed and realise that his wife turning up in good clothes will have a positive impact. Yep. I donate to Labour for that reason. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 15:49:42 GMT
Gifts are bribes in disguise. Jeez I bet you're real popular at Christmas. Do you get specially marked 'bribe tags' where others use 'gift tags'? The actual truth is some people like Lord Waheed Alli want to see Starmer succeed and realise that his wife turning up in good clothes will have a positive impact. No, I don't use gift tabs, wrap presents or give cards. They are all a part of the environmental holocaust. Look, Labour are supposed to be different from the sleazy Tories yet here we are talking about £30K 'gifts'. It looks sleazy and just makes the new government look as bad as the old one. The optics are terrible at a time pensioners are losing the WFA and a round of tax increases are coming at us. Sir Kier is worth around £7.7 million. He can bloody well buy his wife's clothes himself. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2024 16:00:02 GMT
And he's smart enough to know that if a friend makes a gift he'd be a shit to say 'fuck off Ali, think of my image'
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 22, 2024 16:18:56 GMT
And he's smart enough to know that if a friend makes a gift he'd be a shit to say 'fuck off Ali, think of my image' That is exactly what he should have said. ''Thanks but no thanks I don't want any suspicion of corruption, we'll buy our own clothes thank you''. ''My wife's a successful lawyer and I'm the PM, we don't need your charity''. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 22, 2024 16:22:58 GMT
And he's smart enough to know that if a friend makes a gift he'd be a shit to say 'fuck off Ali, think of my image' Maybe, he could say what a reasonable person might say in that situation: 'Thanks for the thought. I really appreciate it, but I couldn't possibly accept'. Your post loses all its force once the swear word is removed. |
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