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Post by wapentake on Sept 13, 2024 22:45:22 GMT
Bugger off Monte I’m on different threads on different forums If you are working beyond your ability you should just concentrate on one conversation at a time. When you get to my age it’s brain use it or lose it ,as to who is in danger of losing theirs I’m saying nowt
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 13, 2024 22:47:14 GMT
If you are working beyond your ability you should just concentrate on one conversation at a time. When you get to my age it’s brain use it or lose it ,as to whose in danger of losing theirs I’m saying nowt Maybe you should take up Wordle.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 13, 2024 22:50:39 GMT
When you get to my age it’s brain use it or lose it ,as to whose in danger of losing theirs I’m saying nowt Maybe you should take up Wordle. No chance I’ve got Rome to keep an eye on
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Post by Zany on Sept 14, 2024 7:24:09 GMT
Normally we have to prove guilt rather than innocence. Normally if you’re told you are factually incorrect it is not unreasonable to ask for proof of that. I did seek figures though Trying further to find such figures proved fruitless,perhaps dappy has them Wasn't his claim in response to yours that they were worse?
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Post by wapentake on Sept 14, 2024 8:16:20 GMT
Normally if you’re told you are factually incorrect it is not unreasonable to ask for proof of that. I did seek figures though Trying further to find such figures proved fruitless,perhaps dappy has them Wasn't his claim in response to yours that they were worse? Was it? Can you please reference the post where I said that? Should I help out ? till this point on page two of this thread I had referenced no percentage or numbers I had merely said there was a problem that was being exploited by many different people in this country and without.. Then along came dappy and said this So assumptions were made and not just about that
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Post by dappy on Sept 14, 2024 8:48:23 GMT
I’m away for weekend. Will reply substantively early next week. Good that we are finally examining facts.
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Post by Zany on Sept 14, 2024 9:15:37 GMT
Wasn't his claim in response to yours that they were worse? Was it? Can you please reference the post where I said that? Should I help out ? till this point on page two of this thread I had referenced no percentage or numbers I had merely said there was a problem that was being exploited by many different people in this country and without.. Then along came dappy and said this So assumptions were made and not just about that Thanks for the guidance. I think this phrase of yours implies higher criminality among asylum seekers To the second part in bold that’s not quite what I said but clearly there is a significant section of criminally minded and to the rest there are a large number who are not fleeing an unsafe regime but arrive here because we are seen as a soft touch and we are and which the French have spelt out on more than one occasion.For it to be significant it would need to be a lot higher than the background numbers.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 14, 2024 9:23:03 GMT
Was it? Can you please reference the post where I said that? Should I help out ? till this point on page two of this thread I had referenced no percentage or numbers I had merely said there was a problem that was being exploited by many different people in this country and without.. Then along came dappy and said this So assumptions were made and not just about that Thanks for the guidance. I think this phrase of yours implies higher criminality among asylum seekers To the second part in bold that’s not quite what I said but clearly there is a significant section of criminally minded and to the rest there are a large number who are not fleeing an unsafe regime but arrive here because we are seen as a soft touch and we are and which the French have spelt out on more than one occasion.For it to be significant it would need to be a lot higher than the background numbers. Think you’re clutching at straws here Zany,till that point I had made no reference to numbers dappy came along and made an assumption that I meant large to which ai replied significant and the dictionary meaning is sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.
and so it is worthy of attention,I have to ask does anybody read what people post without jumping to preconceived ideas about a poster?
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Post by Zany on Sept 14, 2024 13:00:11 GMT
Thanks for the guidance. I think this phrase of yours implies higher criminality among asylum seekers To the second part in bold that’s not quite what I said but clearly there is a significant section of criminally minded and to the rest there are a large number who are not fleeing an unsafe regime but arrive here because we are seen as a soft touch and we are and which the French have spelt out on more than one occasion.For it to be significant it would need to be a lot higher than the background numbers. Think you’re clutching at straws here Zany,till that point I had made no reference to numbers dappy came along and made an assumption that I meant large to which ai replied significant and the dictionary meaning is sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.
and so it is worthy of attention,I have to ask does anybody read what people post without jumping to preconceived ideas about a poster? I think I'll stick with my original opinion on that, shame you can't stick by your claims otherwise it just becomes words games. I do not believe that the same percentage of illegal migrants being criminal as those in the existing population would be deemed significant to anyone.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 14, 2024 13:51:17 GMT
Think you’re clutching at straws here Zany,till that point I had made no reference to numbers dappy came along and made an assumption that I meant large to which ai replied significant and the dictionary meaning is sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.
and so it is worthy of attention,I have to ask does anybody read what people post without jumping to preconceived ideas about a poster? I think I'll stick with my original opinion on that, shame you can't stick by your claims otherwise it just becomes words games. I do not believe that the same percentage of illegal migrants being criminal as those in the existing population would be deemed significant to anyone. I do stick by my claims that it is significant,since nobody is recording in this country by nationality neither can prove whether they are more or less can you agree to that,Robert Jenrick has proposed that should happen but I can’t see it because it might prove problematic. As far as any figures that are available the only ones are on terrorism To that in bold above it seems significant to 52% of the British population,but perhaps they’re all far right
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Post by Zany on Sept 14, 2024 16:17:16 GMT
I think I'll stick with my original opinion on that, shame you can't stick by your claims otherwise it just becomes words games. I do not believe that the same percentage of illegal migrants being criminal as those in the existing population would be deemed significant to anyone. I do stick by my claims that it is significant,since nobody is recording in this country by nationality neither can prove whether they are more or less can you agree to that,Robert Jenrick has proposed that should happen but I can’t see it because it might prove problematic. As far as any figures that are available the only ones are on terrorism To that in bold above it seems significant to 52% of the British population,but perhaps they’re all far right Yes ofcourse I can agree with that, its a fact that we don't record crime by ethnicity or race or history. It proves nothing. Certainly not any claim that migrants are more likely to be criminal, that's supposition at best and wishful thinking at worst. Neither am I impressed by a poll by migration watch, who are well known for their views. Especially with a loaded question such as Do you identify small boat arrivals as a potential threat to national security? Talk about seeking the answer you wish to receive.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 14, 2024 19:16:44 GMT
I do stick by my claims that it is significant,since nobody is recording in this country by nationality neither can prove whether they are more or less can you agree to that,Robert Jenrick has proposed that should happen but I can’t see it because it might prove problematic. As far as any figures that are available the only ones are on terrorism To that in bold above it seems significant to 52% of the British population,but perhaps they’re all far right Yes ofcourse I can agree with that, its a fact that we don't record crime by ethnicity or race or history. It proves nothing. Certainly not any claim that migrants are more likely to be criminal, that's supposition at best and wishful thinking at worst. Neither am I impressed by a poll by migration watch, who are well known for their views. Especially with a loaded question such as Do you identify small boat arrivals as a potential threat to national security? Talk about seeking the answer you wish to receive. Tbh heard of migration watch never really looked at them before and your objections are what far right,you don’t like what they say,they are well known for what? How about the security services If you reject all that do you have any links to information on crime rates for migrants if not don’t you think that strange like we are not allowed to know under FOI requests to know how much the accommodation costs, Is that hate speech to ask that or far right?
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Post by Zany on Sept 14, 2024 19:52:18 GMT
Yes ofcourse I can agree with that, its a fact that we don't record crime by ethnicity or race or history. It proves nothing. Certainly not any claim that migrants are more likely to be criminal, that's supposition at best and wishful thinking at worst. Neither am I impressed by a poll by migration watch, who are well known for their views. Especially with a loaded question such as Do you identify small boat arrivals as a potential threat to national security? Talk about seeking the answer you wish to receive. Tbh heard of migration watch never really looked at them before and your objections are what far right,you don’t like what they say,they are well known for what? How about the security services If you reject all that do you have any links to information on crime rates for migrants if not don’t you think that strange like we are not allowed to know under FOI requests to know how much the accommodation costs, Is that hate speech to ask that or far right? Its always a good idea to do a bit of research before relying on information from an organisation. The starting point is that their given aim is to reduce immigration, so creates a bias in their research. Then read anything they publish its all non balanced in favour of migrants bad. Secondly, of course I recognise Islamic extremism is the greatest threat to the UK. 39,000 Islamic extremists on watch (Doesn't say how many are in the UK.) Perhaps you could reveal that? There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, so even assuming all 39,000 on watch are living here, that is less than 1%. So would I condemn (ban) all Muslims for 1% No I wouldn't. Further if 39,000 Muslim extremists are really here in the UK then they don't do much (I doubt there are as I think the 39,000 on watch include many across the world)
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Post by wapentake on Sept 14, 2024 19:59:41 GMT
Tbh heard of migration watch never really looked at them before and your objections are what far right,you don’t like what they say,they are well known for what? How about the security services If you reject all that do you have any links to information on crime rates for migrants if not don’t you think that strange like we are not allowed to know under FOI requests to know how much the accommodation costs, Is that hate speech to ask that or far right? Its always a good idea to do a bit of research before relying on information from an organisation. The starting point is that their given aim is to reduce immigration, so creates a bias in their research. Then read anything they publish its all non balanced in favour of migrants bad. Secondly, of course I recognise Islamic extremism is the greatest threat to the UK. 39,000 Islamic extremists on watch (Doesn't say how many are in the UK.) Perhaps you could reveal that? There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, so even assuming all 39,000 on watch are living here, that is less than 1%. So would I condemn (ban) all Muslims for 1% No I wouldn't. Further if 39,000 Muslim extremists are really here in the UK then they don't do much (I doubt there are as I think the 39,000 on watch include many across the world) MI5 covers domestic threats does it not the threats from across the world come under the remit of MI6 don’t they? Can you reveal how many are outside the UK? As I asked can you give figures for percentage of crimes committed by migrants legal or other wise,if you cannot you and dappy rubbishing my posts have no more traction than mine.
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Post by Zany on Sept 14, 2024 20:09:12 GMT
Its always a good idea to do a bit of research before relying on information from an organisation. The starting point is that their given aim is to reduce immigration, so creates a bias in their research. Then read anything they publish its all non balanced in favour of migrants bad. Secondly, of course I recognise Islamic extremism is the greatest threat to the UK. 39,000 Islamic extremists on watch (Doesn't say how many are in the UK.) Perhaps you could reveal that? There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, so even assuming all 39,000 on watch are living here, that is less than 1%. So would I condemn (ban) all Muslims for 1% No I wouldn't. Further if 39,000 Muslim extremists are really here in the UK then they don't do much (I doubt there are as I think the 39,000 on watch include many across the world) MI5 covers domestic threats does it not the threats from across the world come under the remit of MI6 don’t they? Can you reveal how many are outside the UK? Mi5 cover domestic threats but that doesn't mean they don't watch threats from around the world MI5 investigates all types of terrorist threats to the UK, including Islamist, extreme right-wing, and Northern Ireland-related terrorism. MI5 also works to disrupt terrorist threats against UK interests overseas
I have already stated that no one keeps this information by race or religion, so the answer is obviously NO.
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