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Post by Steve on Jul 14, 2024 15:58:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 16:20:44 GMT
Never saw any news yesterday so only recently heard about this.
We could come up with all sorts of theories about why this guy did this, who if anyone was behind him, and so on.
But the US authorities will be looking into all that so we will no doubt hear more in the next few days.
I will reserve meaningful comment until then.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 14, 2024 16:34:03 GMT
looks like trump just took a massive step towards the presidency monte. Joking aside . im just laughing at all the folk , and not just on here , swooning in disgust and pouring their hearts out in sympathy to trump where as the other day they were joining in the hate filled rants against him. At least your hatred is consistent. Can't stand Trump and want him locked up for being a criminal. Don't think shooting him or other violence against him is the answer, Monte gets very upset when people joke about killing asylum seekers, so kind of hypocritical to joke about killing Trump and others IMHO Source?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 16:41:11 GMT
Can't stand Trump and want him locked up for being a criminal. Don't think shooting him or other violence against him is the answer, Monte gets very upset when people joke about killing asylum seekers, so kind of hypocritical to joke about killing Trump and others IMHO Source? So now you're lying about what you said about Jonksy wanting asylum seekers sunk? Gosh, your dishonesty knows no bounds
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Post by vinny on Jul 14, 2024 17:38:30 GMT
... As for the Barnett formula, it is not means tested it does nothing to lift anyone out of poverty, and devolution entrenches division without making the UK more democratic. Get rid of both, have PR and direct democracy instead.
Now regarding the Yanks, thousands of people are killed in mass shootings in the USA, Trump did nothing about that on his watch, and boasted about having done nothing about it. Now he's nearly been killed because of the very system he supports.
If I were Biden I'd be making that point and calling for better controls.
Controls don't mean no guns, controls mean fewer mass shootings.
PR has its own problems, also what would you replace the Barnett formula with? Means testing. Any area with high poverty levels would attract more support from government, intervention to develop / train and help people out of poverty.
Violence can be justified in self defence and in the defence of the public.
Obviously we have an army. We have a Police force which has firearms officers.
Sometimes there are killers on the loose with weapons, there was one on the loose the other day with a crossbow who murdered 3 people. If Police had shot him dead in self defence, I would have raised a glass to the firearms officer who had offed him.
Oh I know about bumpfire stocks alright. Know what that ban did? Improved accuracy and therefore lethality. You see a bumpfire stock uses recoil to fling the gun back and forth and that bumps the trigger. The gun is going all over the place, the barrel does not remain pointed at a fixed position.
If someone who can't shoot for shit fits one of those, then sprays his magazine away missing most shots, then there are situations where inaccuracy actually saves a few lives. Replace that stock with a fixed stock, the gun is more stable, and when aiming down the sights, with a self loading rifle and a high capacity magazine, there's more chance of innocent people being killed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 17:43:56 GMT
Fair enough. That contradicts Trump's earlier statements like this one LA TimesBanning gun bump stocks increases accuracy but reduces fire rate; you can kill more people quickly with them at short distance, in a crowd. The NRA opposed him on this but he went ahead and pushed it anyway. (There are easy workarounds that still exist, so it was moot) And I believe you've called for violence against more than just convicted killers and rapists, but I'm not going to go searching for those posts on other forums and we all know PoFo UK is gone for good.
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 17:53:38 GMT
If it is, the bloke was a bloody good shot. To hit Trump in the ear while he was moving. I don't sign up to that. Methinks Monte was joking. Possibly, but I do think there'll be conspiracy theories about CIA sharp shooters with cancer who are willing to die for the cause
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 14, 2024 17:54:37 GMT
So now you're lying about what you said about Jonksy wanting asylum seekers sunk? Gosh, your dishonesty knows no bounds What did I say about Jonsky? Are you confusing me with someone else?
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 17:56:57 GMT
Can't stand Trump and want him locked up for being a criminal. Don't think shooting him or other violence against him is the answer, Monte gets very upset when people joke about killing asylum seekers, so kind of hypocritical to joke about killing Trump and others IMHO Source? Would you be upset about people suggesting we shoot asylum seekers?
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 18:00:46 GMT
The shooter, it turns out, is a registered Republican. However, he donated to a liberal PAC before he registered as a Republican, presumably to vote in the primary against Trump and stop him. So a loyal Republican who thought Trump was bad news for the country?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 18:02:57 GMT
So now you're lying about what you said about Jonksy wanting asylum seekers sunk? Gosh, your dishonesty knows no bounds What did I say about Jonsky? Are you confusing me with someone else? Maybe, but pretty sure it was you. Also pretty sure it was in that thread SRB started which has been deleted called "triggering the gammons"
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 18:03:21 GMT
So now you're lying about what you said about Jonksy wanting asylum seekers sunk? Gosh, your dishonesty knows no bounds I believe many thought Jonsky's comments were beyond the pale, so I quite believe Monte would too. That said, it feels different joking about a politician?
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 14, 2024 18:07:06 GMT
Would you be upset about people suggesting we shoot asylum seekers? When did I suggest we shoot Trump?
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Post by equivocal on Jul 14, 2024 18:07:10 GMT
Methinks Monte was joking. Possibly, but I do think there'll be conspiracy theories about CIA sharp shooters with cancer who are willing to die for the cause There will be all kinds of conspiracy theories, which is hardly surprising given the location of the shooter.
How on earth does a man with a gun get onto a roof with 130 Metres of Trump? It beggars belief.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 14, 2024 18:09:34 GMT
What did I say about Jonsky? Are you confusing me with someone else? Maybe, but pretty sure it was you. Also pretty sure it was in that thread SRB started which has been deleted called "triggering the gammons" That's convenient. As far as I can remember, the only thing I said about Jonsky was that he had a Gollywog avatar.
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