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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 12:10:21 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. Scenario, guy has terminal cancer suffering awful pain, he buys super strong cannabis, prosecute? No prescribe him dimorphine, it's what it was developed for. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 12:12:12 GMT
Is this where I start listing the names of all the people who have had their lives destroyed by alcohol in one way or another? All the domestic violence victims assaulted by drunk partners for example. You could but it'd just be whataboutery. And ignoring that anyone with a nose can detect someone overdosed on alcohol but same doesn't apply to high strength cannabis. |
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 8, 2024 12:18:13 GMT
That's going too far. If you legalise it, a lot of young people will use it and we know overuse of it (even if it isn't adulterated) is still bad for people psychologically. There are problems anywhere drug legalisation is tried, Oregon recently reversed their drug decriminalization policy. And things aren't as rosy in Canada as you make out - FP linkDid you know that many top Republicans in the USA have big investments in "Big Marijuana" as the industry is called here? It's a corporate giveaway Did you read the whole article? It's not arguing against Canada's legalisation of cannabis. It is mostly critical of the way it has been commercialised. It draws some unfavourable comparisons with the way some European countries are approaching legalisation. Perhaps you didn't make it to the conclusion (or hoped I wouldn't). Simply highlighted the part that was most relevant. The system is a big corporate giveaway, it's making corporations richer. If you legalise it in the USA it will make top Republicans with big investments in it richer. It also means more young people will try it, which is not necessarily a good thing either. In European countries, the system is quite ridiculous, did you read about Germany's system? They've gone overboard with typical European bureacuracy BBC linkIndeed, going too far with liberal drug decriminalization laws leads to problems, same with going too far in the opposite direction and overly criminalizing it The head of the medical association warned against it in Germany DW"Trust the experts" or go the Brexiter route..? |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 8, 2024 12:58:31 GMT
You don't like capitalism?
There's little evidence that criminalising cannabis reduces consumption.
It makes no more sense than prohibition of alcohol.
News flash, young people will try cannabis. Now would you prefer them to use unadulterated weed regulated by government or ground glass and chemicals? Would you prefer people gave their money to organised crime and come into contact with class A drugs or buy it from regulated and taxed legal outlets?
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 8, 2024 15:23:59 GMT
You don't like capitalism? There's little evidence that criminalising cannabis reduces consumption. It makes no more sense than prohibition of alcohol. News flash, young people will try cannabis. Now would you prefer them to use unadulterated weed regulated by government or ground glass and chemicals? Would you prefer people gave their money to organised crime and come into contact with class A drugs or buy it from regulated and taxed legal outlets? No, I don't particularly like Capitalism. It's just a better system than Communism/Fascism etc, but there must be something better out there somewhere, we moved on from previous systems like Feudalism and I don't doubt we'll one day find something better than Capitalism. That's a libertarian US style argument - "you don't like Capitalism". Cool. I would prefer big corporations didn't make obscene money from getting young people addicted to weed because I hate capitalism and love Pol Pot (just not the pot part) and Hitler |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 8, 2024 15:45:07 GMT
You'd rather organised crime made obscene money selling weed to young people.
Weed isn't physically addictive btw.
It's a hell of a lot easier to give up than tobacco I can tell you from personal experience.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 8, 2024 15:55:19 GMT
Nope, I'd rather heavily deter/criminalise organised crime and stop them from doing that too.
If people want it, they can hide a small amount of it that they grow if they really have to have it, it's unlikely the police will come busting their doors down for really small amounts if the penalties for it are low, as long as it's not well publicised and not with intent to supply
It's easier to give up than tobacco, but that's why tobacco is so highly taxed/horrendous warnings are plastered over fag packets and all advertising is banned and it's banned from being done in many places
Up taxes on tobacco if you like, I don't care
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 18:12:48 GMT
I don't know about cannabis addiction but I know from experience that tobacco is very hard to give up. 40 years on I still get tempted.
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 9:11:41 GMT
If the government legalises it, there may in future be law suits actioned by people who have been psychologically damaged. The issue is somewhat distinct from the gradual harm caused by something like alcohol. Somebody vulnerable can potentially blow up their entire personality with one heavy cannabis session. I have heard of seasoned users being incapacitated for days by the artificial form That's some Reefer Madness level of disinformation. Besides, even if true, with legalisation comes regulation. Canada tests purity and labels the strength of all cannabis sold from licensed weed stores. The black market has virtually disappeared. Since Portugal did something similar organised crime has plummeted there too. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 9, 2024 9:48:28 GMT
That's some Reefer Madness level of disinformation. Besides, even if true, with legalisation comes regulation. Canada tests purity and labels the strength of all cannabis sold from licensed weed stores. The black market has virtually disappeared. Since Portugal did something similar organised crime has plummeted there too. It's a huge market. Estimated to be worth between £2.5 - £3 billion a year in the UK. If you prohibit its sale it doesn't go away. Someone is going to supply that demand. It's a question of who you'd rather the money goes to. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 9:50:51 GMT
Since Portugal did something similar organised crime has plummeted there too. It's a huge market. Estimated to be worth between £2.5 - £3 billion a year in the UK. If you prohibit its sale it doesn't go away. Someone is going to supply that demand. It's a question of who you'd rather the money goes to. I completely agree. Prohibition doesn't work at all. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 9:56:27 GMT
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 9, 2024 10:11:05 GMT
The Netherlands never legalised cannabis. There has never been a legal way to supply cannabis to the coffee shops so they have left the door open for organised crime. Canada is a much better example of how to do it. The government supplies licences to produce it in highly regulated conditions. Premises are inspected and licences can be revoked if the regulations are not complied with. There are also tough regulations about how it is packaged and sold in licenced weed shops. This has resulted in legal weed a third to a quarter of the price in the UK and virtually eliminated the black market. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 10, 2024 8:36:07 GMT
Portugal's methods work well too.
Organised crime is virtually gone from Portugal.
There are very few murders there.
And there are very few robberies there either.
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Post by Steve on Jul 10, 2024 9:37:39 GMT
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