Steve
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Post by Steve on Jul 6, 2024 21:06:25 GMT
Alcohol is easy to detect, anyone with a nose can detect someone pissed so easily. Cannabis very much not so So BIG difference But the Met claim to be able to smell cannabis through closed windows of cars they follow and stop. Why not equip every drug squad with an officer sporting such a sensitive porcine nose? Job done… Very witty but the officers concerned ended up in deep water with two of them sacked.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 7, 2024 10:33:57 GMT
Now see this > Why not copy Slovakia's example? Their drug deaths are way below Portugal's, it's not like they're using the same strategy. Romania comes at the bottom of most drug rankings too. Wiki
Slovakia:Wouldn't that imply an ultra-harsh regime [where you get life imprisonment for the most silliest things] is the best deterrent? And no I'm not advocating that as a policy
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Post by patman post on Jul 7, 2024 13:21:08 GMT
But the Met claim to be able to smell cannabis through closed windows of cars they follow and stop. Why not equip every drug squad with an officer sporting such a sensitive porcine nose? Job done… Very witty but the officers concerned ended up in deep water with two of them sacked. But the punishment only occurred in that case because the people in the car were well known. As the IOPC statement says: “We are acutely aware that Bianca and Ricardo’s interaction with police and their feeling of being treated less favourably by officers because of their race, is reflective of the experiences of many Black people across London and throughout England and Wales.
“We know that Black people are almost nine times more likely to be stopped and searched by police than White people, and nearly nine times more likely to be searched for drugs - despite a lower find rate of drugs for Black people than White people. The officers in this case claimed they smelled cannabis in the athletes’ car despite no drugs being found in the search.www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/statement-following-misconduct-hearing-over-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dosWhether the noses of Met officers are more sensitive to illegal substances or not, their reputation for extreme diligence in stopping on suspicion must be a deterrent...
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Post by sheepy on Jul 7, 2024 16:29:54 GMT
Does anyone actually take a blind bit of notice of anyone smoking cannabis these days anyway, I often walk past lots of people smoking cannabis and don't take a blind bit of notice of it, one guy isn't allowed to smoke it in the house, so he has to go for a walk, bonus gets some exercise and gets to smoke a spliff.
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Post by totheleft on Jul 7, 2024 20:41:10 GMT
I often said Cannabis often leads to Class A drugs .
So legalised is a no no in my book.
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Steve
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Post by Steve on Jul 7, 2024 22:19:12 GMT
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 7, 2024 23:04:46 GMT
Is this where I start listing the names of all the people who have had their lives destroyed by alcohol in one way or another? All the domestic violence victims assaulted by drunk partners for example.
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Post by totheleft on Jul 8, 2024 0:10:09 GMT
Is this where I start listing the names of all the people who have had their lives destroyed by alcohol in one way or another? All the domestic violence victims assaulted by drunk partners for example. Lets legalise Spice in that case Has far i know that he just conks you out for hours.
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Post by vinny on Jul 8, 2024 8:16:27 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. Scenario, guy has terminal cancer suffering awful pain, he buys super strong cannabis, prosecute?
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Post by Orac on Jul 8, 2024 8:34:51 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. If the government legalises it, there may in future be law suits actioned by people who have been psychologically damaged. The issue is somewhat distinct from the gradual harm caused by something like alcohol. Somebody vulnerable can potentially blow up their entire personality with one heavy cannabis session. I have heard of seasoned users being incapacitated for days by the artificial form
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 8, 2024 8:50:24 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. If the government legalises it, there may in future be law suits actioned by people who have been psychologically damaged. The issue is somewhat distinct from the gradual harm caused by something like alcohol. Somebody vulnerable can potentially blow up their entire personality with one heavy cannabis session. I have heard of seasoned users being incapacitated for days by the artificial form That's some Reefer Madness level of disinformation. Besides, even if true, with legalisation comes regulation. Canada tests purity and labels the strength of all cannabis sold from licensed weed stores. The black market has virtually disappeared.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 8, 2024 11:32:32 GMT
It's ridiculous to suggest spice is the same as cannabis, spice is extremely dangerous and should be 100% outlawed in all circumstances, it kills people and zombifies them. Anyone selling it should be sent to prison for many years
Very, very poor idea to equate the two
Cannabis should be legalised for medical use (ie terminally ill patients, or those with epilepsy or extreme anxiety if it can help - and has been proven by NICE to help); it should be tightly controlled and offered on prescription in those cases
Its use recreationally in small amounts (ie caught with a possession of a small amount) should warrant small wrist-slaps ie cautions and small fines at worst, or usually just confiscation and an unofficial warning, that would be the best way to treat it.
The dealers should be cracked down on; small scale dealers should be given smaller sentences - but those selling dangerous adulterated cannabis (ie weed cut with things like cocaine/weed killer or even glass - this can kill) should be charged with decades long sentences; those selling spice should be sent to prison for as long as you'd send someone to prison for dealing heroin
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 8, 2024 11:37:33 GMT
It's ridiculous to suggest spice is the same as cannabis, spice is extremely dangerous and should be 100% outlawed in all circumstances, it kills people and zombifies them. Anyone selling it should be sent to prison for many years Very, very poor idea to equate the two Cannabis should be legalised for medical use (ie terminally ill patients, or those with epilepsy or extreme anxiety if it can help - and has been proven by NICE to help); it should be tightly controlled and offered on prescription in those cases Its use recreationally in small amounts (ie caught with a possession of a small amount) should warrant small wrist-slaps ie cautions and small fines at worst, or usually just confiscation and an unofficial warning, that would be the best way to treat it. The dealers should be cracked down on; small scale dealers should be given smaller sentences - but those selling dangerous adulterated cannabis (ie weed cut with things like cocaine/weed killer or even glass - this can kill) should be charged with decades long sentences; those selling spice should be sent to prison for as long as you'd send someone to prison for dealing heroin Legalise it and regulate it. Canada doesn't have issues with weed killer or ground glass in their cannabis.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 8, 2024 11:41:49 GMT
That's going too far. If you legalise it, a lot of young people will use it and we know overuse of it (even if it isn't adulterated) is still bad for people psychologically. There are problems anywhere drug legalisation is tried, Oregon recently reversed their drug decriminalization policy. And things aren't as rosy in Canada as you make out - FP linkDid you know that many top Republicans in the USA have big investments in "Big Marijuana" as the industry is called here? It's a corporate giveaway
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 8, 2024 11:59:20 GMT
That's going too far. If you legalise it, a lot of young people will use it and we know overuse of it (even if it isn't adulterated) is still bad for people psychologically. There are problems anywhere drug legalisation is tried, Oregon recently reversed their drug decriminalization policy. And things aren't as rosy in Canada as you make out - FP linkDid you know that many top Republicans in the USA have big investments in "Big Marijuana" as the industry is called here? It's a corporate giveaway Did you read the whole article? It's not arguing against Canada's legalisation of cannabis. It is mostly critical of the way it has been commercialised. It draws some unfavourable comparisons with the way some European countries are approaching legalisation. Perhaps you didn't make it to the conclusion (or hoped I wouldn't).
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