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Post by vinny on Jul 2, 2024 14:13:37 GMT
We didn't "throw away" free trade with the EU.
We threw away Commission rule.
Big difference.
We still have free trade with the EU, it's the most comprehensive FTA they've ever agreed to.
But we're in a position to negotiate other FTAs.
We're now in CPTPP for example.
Far from being the "splendid isolation" John Major spoke of, we're more of a global trader than we were a decade ago.
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Post by Steve on Jul 2, 2024 14:48:42 GMT
Do we still have the friction free trade we used to have with the EU? No
Do we still have the ability to sell financial services (only our leading export) to EU customers? No
Does CPTPP give us any benefits above the 'bugger all' 0.08% of that Oz Deal? No
So please stop positioning this false 'we've lost nothing' stance.
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Post by vinny on Jul 2, 2024 14:53:19 GMT
Do we make enough money selling to the EU? Yes.
Do we still make enough money selling financial services? Yes.
Does CPTPP give us any benefits? Yes and once again we don't just enter free trade agreements to export we also enter free trade agreements to import.
Imports from the CPTPP countries will benefit us.
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Post by Steve on Jul 2, 2024 16:22:34 GMT
So you don't realise that we don't sell Financial services to the EU anymore. There are front companies with British names but they have to be based in the EU employing EU workers and crucially all their profits have to be taxed in the EU for EU nation benefit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2024 8:34:02 GMT
The hierarchy of the eu is the author of its own downfall ,should’ve stuck with the common market.
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Post by Zany on Jul 3, 2024 13:09:19 GMT
The hierarchy of the eu is the author of its own downfall ,should’ve stuck with the common market. Naah. In order to be a force equal to the other super powers it had to develop into a single entity. What you see is growing pains. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2024 13:14:39 GMT
The hierarchy of the eu is the author of its own downfall ,should’ve stuck with the common market. Naah. In order to be a force equal to the other super powers it had to develop into a single entity. What you see is growing pains. Well these growing pains see people right across Europe dissatisfied with the level of movement of people and an executive more remote from its people than Westminster. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 3, 2024 13:21:32 GMT
Naah. In order to be a force equal to the other super powers it had to develop into a single entity. What you see is growing pains. Well these growing pains see people right across Europe dissatisfied with the level of movement of people and an executive more remote from its people than Westminster. Some people are always unhappy, everyone has a gripe about something, but polls say the majority say in is better than out. I agree immigration has been a big issue across the EU, but that's individual governments not the EU. If you want an example look at the UK's immigration since we left. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 3, 2024 15:22:40 GMT
So you don't realise that we don't sell Financial services to the EU anymore. There are front companies with British names but they have to be based in the EU employing EU workers and crucially all their profits have to be taxed in the EU for EU nation benefit EU companies employ UK workers doing the same here and are taxed here. It works both ways, we still make more than enough from Financial Services. There are more important issues than the banks, like scrapping the Barnett formula, replacing it with means testing and sorting out the North South divide. Reforming the Commonwealth, improving diplomatic relations, improving living standards across it, improving productivity across it, turning it into an FTA and improving everyone's trade with each other. And getting hot countries building solar power stations etc to power the fuel synthesis process to counter climate change. Doing a free trade agreement with the USA is another important thing to work towards. We have an FTA with the EU we don't need membership of it. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 3, 2024 16:09:12 GMT
So you don't realise that we don't sell Financial services to the EU anymore. There are front companies with British names but they have to be based in the EU employing EU workers and crucially all their profits have to be taxed in the EU for EU nation benefit EU companies employ UK workers doing the same here and are taxed here. It works both ways, we still make more than enough from Financial Services. There are more important issues than the banks, like scrapping the Barnett formula, replacing it with means testing and sorting out the North South divide. Reforming the Commonwealth, improving diplomatic relations, improving living standards across it, improving productivity across it, turning it into an FTA and improving everyone's trade with each other. And getting hot countries building solar power stations etc to power the fuel synthesis process to counter climate change. Doing a free trade agreement with the USA is another important thing to work towards. We have an FTA with the EU we don't need membership of it. There's quite a difference between employment and profit. Especially is banking. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 3, 2024 16:13:48 GMT
Banking makes a lot of profit in this country.
All too many banks are closing branches and alienating a minority of customers, to make even more profits.
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Post by Zany on Jul 3, 2024 16:19:46 GMT
Banking makes a lot of profit in this country. All too many banks are closing branches and alienating a minority of customers, to make even more profits. Not those banks. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 3, 2024 16:20:54 GMT
Those banks are making as much profit here as our banks are over there.
If they weren't, over a thousand EU banks wouldn't have opened up UK offices.
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Post by Zany on Jul 3, 2024 16:44:59 GMT
Those banks are making as much profit here as our banks are over there. If they weren't, over a thousand EU banks wouldn't have opened up UK offices. I'm talking about the deals selling insurance or holding large sums of money while sales mergers etc go through. Insurances shorts etc etc. If those deals are done by a German bank it doesn't matter that their employee is in the UK the profit still happens in Germany. If A once British bank (Though lets face it they are all international nowadays) moves its HQ to Brussels to get around EU restrictions the deals sealed in the UK still pay their profits in Belgium. Doesn't matter that an English employee did the deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2024 19:03:10 GMT
Well these growing pains see people right across Europe dissatisfied with the level of movement of people and an executive more remote from its people than Westminster. Some people are always unhappy, everyone has a gripe about something, but polls say the majority say in is better than out. I agree immigration has been a big issue across the EU, but that's individual governments not the EU. If you want an example look at the UK's immigration since we left. Individual govts? no it’s not it’s down to Merkel and people like the war criminal Blair who fell in love with the European project and treaties made unfathomable to all but those with one objective. Where does that lead to? AFD and the once liberal Scandinavian countries who bought in to a dream that turned to a nightmare. I've asked this more than once but no one has a reply,why did those once liberal scandy societies turn? I’ve no time for Orban but he’s been told take down your barbed wire or else,the Greeks were told you’ll toe the line or else,you have no choice because you’re an economic basket case and that led to their less than humanitarian actions and point all this out and you’re a racist. |
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