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Post by montegriffo on Jul 19, 2024 6:12:20 GMT
It's not real money unless it has the monarch's head on it.
God save the King.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 19, 2024 6:14:30 GMT
It's not real money unless it has the monarch's head on it. God save the King. ear! ear! |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 19, 2024 6:18:02 GMT
Wouldn't you like to have your own king again though?
Get the old lavvy lid out and have your own coronation?
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Post by Amadan on Jul 19, 2024 6:20:43 GMT
Wouldn't you like to have your own king again though? Get the old lavvy lid out and have your own coronation? never. im a solid Scottish republican , always have been. Prince Charles though once did open a local helium factory near me many years ago. I cant speak highly enough about the place. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 19, 2024 6:26:26 GMT
Wouldn't you like to have your own king again though? Get the old lavvy lid out and have your own coronation? never. im a solid Scottish republican , always have been. Prince Charles though once did open a local helium factory near me many years ago. I cant speak highly enough about the place. I bet that was a gas. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 19, 2024 6:31:55 GMT
I'm down in the Republic of Kernow this week. Jam first then cream.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 7:05:47 GMT
Wouldn't you like to have your own king again though? Get the old lavvy lid out and have your own coronation? We already have a king..  A second coronation is in order though..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 7:07:55 GMT
Wouldn't you like to have your own king again though? Get the old lavvy lid out and have your own coronation? never. im a solid Scottish republican , always have been. Prince Charles though once did open a local helium factory near me many years ago. I cant speak highly enough about the place. Let the helium process begin ^ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 7:10:14 GMT
never. im a solid Scottish republican , always have been. Prince Charles though once did open a local helium factory near me many years ago. I cant speak highly enough about the place. I bet that was a gas. Too many thatchers will do that.... both kinds |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 7:12:14 GMT
It seems to me Saint a well as svinny and brownlow make compelling points tbh, good arguments both for and against it I don't think Vinny has made a compelling argument in his life. The majority are so full of holes and contradictions it's unbelievable the rubbish he comes out with at times. To move back to the EU argument , there are so many things to consider , so many pros and cons , its why I think there should be a second referendum , with carefully laid out arguments rather than blank pieces of paper promising the delusional like Vinny return of empire and glory. Starmers plan appears to be signing the uk back into the Eu by stealth , a thousand treaties behind the Brussels bike sheds , we can see its doomed before he begins. All he will do is empower people like Vinny , and brexiters in general will once again be martyred and potentially have the sympathy of those in the middle ground who are open to persuasion either way. Another major problem of course as ive said for years is Englands reputation and whatever clout it may have world wide. I specifically say England for obvious reasons , and Englands reputation will be in tatters I think if it comes crawling back to the EU , the world wide perception will be a slave crawling back to master. You will be a laughing stock. A lot of damage was done in 2016 , and the years running up to it as we have covered ad nauseam across various political sites over the years. Delusion of grandeur , brainwashing , pride , alternate reality of the world we live in today , coupled by a sense of grievance , much of which can be laid at the door of successive uk governments has led us to where we are today. The uk , if it survives , can rejoin the EU , but there will be massive consequences , some of which are laid out above , as well as benefits , but one thing is abundantly clear , it will not be the same as pre 2016. Many good points. Nonetheless, it's true that a country controlling its own currency means it isn't subject to an external central bank. That is a reasonable remark IMHO. If the far-right takes over the EU as it seems they want to, I wouldn't want them controlling our currency, so I have to hand that to objectors to the Euro becoming our currency, at the same time, you and Saint make many good points as well in its favour so I'm not swung by either argument completely |
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Post by Zany on Jul 19, 2024 8:05:53 GMT
But then the EU would need to become a hell of a lot more democratic and I cannot see that happening.
The EU is mostly concerned with standardising laws to facilitate trade. The question is: what laws in any particular area should be the standard law throughout the EU? Most EU member states will already have their own particular laws in particular areas. Trademark laws are an example. These were different in the different member states before standardisation. The thing is, nobody likes change. While everyone recognises that standardisation is necessary to the common economic good, every member state would rather that the laws that it already has became the standard throughout Europe. So, let's say that the law of contract is about to be standardised. Everyone recognises that will be a good thing, economically speaking. But EVERY SINGLE member state will hope that the new standardised law will be the same as the laws they already have or very close to it. That would cause the least disruption to business in that member state. At the moment, the Commission consults every member state and tries to come up with a compromise law of contract, etc. When the EU becomes more 'democratic', the laws that will be introduced will be those that suit the countries with the biggest voting share in the EU Parliament. The days of tireless Commission efforts to secure a compromise that suits everyone will be gone. The Commission has a world-wide reputation for writing solid workable laws. When the EU becomes 'democratic', the laws will become those that favour the biggest nations and cause them the least disruption. That's when the smaller nations will start leaving. One of the things I asked multiple times during the Brexit debate was, 'can you tell me a single EU law that effected you personally in the UK' No one could really think of anything dramatic. Saint is correct, the EU was focussed on standardising things, especially those that moved from country to country. Things like the legal minimum depth of tyre treads or the weight of vehicles allowed on roads. Things like what grounds you needed for divorce or what you could buy in your shops were left to individual countries. Will that change when the EU becomes "democratic" (Not sure what's implied here) I don't think so, I think it will be more like the United States. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 19, 2024 8:15:19 GMT
It's not real money unless it has the monarch's head on it. God save the King. Perhaps we could make that a condition of us re-joining.  |
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Post by vinny on Jul 19, 2024 8:23:52 GMT
I mean, a lot of countries gave up their currency and are prospering, such as Estonia etc I'm not sure why everyone is so wedded to the currency, although it's good New Labour didn't adopt the euro at the time, it was good in hindsight, but now maybe things are different? Yep. Currency is just a method of valuing your assets. Doesn't matter what name it has. If you're in a recession, cannot devalue your currency, cannot put up interest rates, cannot do anything about the recession you're in, you're screwed. The EU has a currency union, but not a fiscal union. Without a fiscal union it cannot work. And you would take us into that currency union, just because you're upset about Brexit (despite Brexit being a democratic and economic success). |
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Post by Steve on Jul 19, 2024 8:30:21 GMT
Yep. Currency is just a method of valuing your assets. Doesn't matter what name it has. If you're in a recession, cannot devalue your currency, cannot put up interest rates, cannot do anything about the recession you're in, you're screwed. The EU has a currency union, but not a fiscal union. Without a fiscal union it cannot work. And you would take us into that currency union, just because you're upset about Brexit (despite Brexit being a democratic and economic success). Yes it can work without a fiscal union. Same way the individual states in the USA work. It's just not the same way it's worked. Euro using countries have to manage their local taxation and spending properly. Not always popular but then life is full of things we don't always like doing but they have to be done. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 19, 2024 8:32:24 GMT
Yep. Currency is just a method of valuing your assets. Doesn't matter what name it has. If you're in a recession, cannot devalue your currency, cannot put up interest rates, cannot do anything about the recession you're in, you're screwed. The EU has a currency union, but not a fiscal union. Without a fiscal union it cannot work. And you would take us into that currency union, just because you're upset about Brexit (despite Brexit being a democratic and economic success). But your recession is also mitigated by being in a larger state. What happens in the United States when Montana goes into recession? |
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