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Post by montegriffo on Jun 30, 2024 12:10:53 GMT
Northerners talk funny and people from Devon put the cream and jam on their scones in the wrong order. Try making those type of generalised criticisms of people from Pakistan and it feels very awkward. They are ridiculous whoever you make them of. It's just racial stereotyping. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jun 30, 2024 12:15:27 GMT
As a point of order, Monte is quite wrong. It is the Cornish who get the order of jam and cream first so badly wrong. Bless them. I think you'll find it's Devon verses the rest of the world when it comes to how you have your scones. |
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Post by Zany on Jun 30, 2024 12:19:14 GMT
I don’t agree that many would recognise that “tend” is implied Zany. It’s quite an important qualification in my view. Meanwhile I am still waiting for a practical example of where “our culture” is being lost. It’s quite hard to accept or counter an argument when it is seemingly so difficult to explain what is meant. Well rather than turn this thread into another word game. I will add the word tend in future. An example might well be the Indian attitude towards those who serve. Which is a noticeable culture change in areas where large numbers of Indians live together. Question: Is there a term one can use to describe a traditional British person that makes definition for this conversation without the inevitable response that we are ALL British? I can't think of one. |
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Post by Zany on Jun 30, 2024 12:22:09 GMT
Try making those type of generalised criticisms of people from Pakistan and it feels very awkward. They are ridiculous whoever you make them of. It's just racial stereotyping. Wow. I didn't expect to get to the status quo so quickly. Conversation shut down, any comment from this point implies racism.  |
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Post by Zany on Jun 30, 2024 12:28:26 GMT
And we wander why the Right wing are gaining ground.
I warn you all! , shut down the conversation and you drive them underground, tell them they are racist to complain half the conversations they here are in a foreign language.
Don't explain to them that this will correct itself over time and get them to engage with the people.
Tell them they are not allowed to feel as they do.
Shut them up.
Then.
Read up how Hitler came to power.
Look at the new French prime minister.
The signs are all there and pretending these people are all just racists is very foolish.
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Post by montegriffo on Jun 30, 2024 12:35:44 GMT
They are ridiculous whoever you make them of. It's just racial stereotyping. Wow. I didn't expect to get to the status quo so quickly. Conversation shut down, any comment from this point implies racism. You think racial stereotyping is acceptable? Let me ask that another way, do you think differences are a bad thing? Does it really matter whether you put the jam on first as god intended or whether you heretically put the cream on first? |
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Post by equivocal on Jun 30, 2024 12:37:17 GMT
Try making those type of generalised criticisms of people from Pakistan and it feels very awkward. They are ridiculous whoever you make them of. It's just racial stereotyping. Yes, that would be racial stereotyping. On the other hand, granting asylum to a woman who campaigned for freedom from religious persecution in Iran or a gay individual threatened with imprisonment in Uganda would not.
Different countries have, I think, cultural norms which differ from British cultural norms. Some, if not most, of those differences are unimportant. On the other hand, attitudes to religion, freedom of expression, women's rights and the rights of those who identify as LGBT are, I think, quite important.
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Post by Zany on Jun 30, 2024 12:40:20 GMT
Wow. I didn't expect to get to the status quo so quickly. Conversation shut down, any comment from this point implies racism. You think racial stereotyping is acceptable? Let me ask that another way, do you think differences are a bad thing? Does it really matter whether you put the jam on first as god intended or whether you heretically put the cream on first? No I do not think racial stereotyping is acceptable. Some differences are a bad thing yes. Let me ask you that another way. Would you think expecting serving staff not to look you in the eye is a good difference? |
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Post by montegriffo on Jun 30, 2024 12:45:36 GMT
They are ridiculous whoever you make them of. It's just racial stereotyping. Yes, that would be racial stereotyping. On the other hand, granting asylum to a woman who campaigned for freedom from religious persecution in Iran or a gay individual threatened with imprisonment in Uganda would not.
Different countries have, I think, cultural norms which differ from British cultural norms. Some, if not most, of those differences are unimportant. On the other hand, attitudes to religion, freedom of expression, women's rights and the rights of those who identify as LGBT are, I think, quite important.
Yes of course. However living in fear of people fleeing such regimes bringing those practices with them is illogical. |
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Post by dappy on Jun 30, 2024 12:46:07 GMT
I don’t agree that many would recognise that “tend” is implied Zany. It’s quite an important qualification in my view. Meanwhile I am still waiting for a practical example of where “our culture” is being lost. It’s quite hard to accept or counter an argument when it is seemingly so difficult to explain what is meant. Well rather than turn this thread into another word game. I will add the word tend in future. An example might well be the Indian attitude towards those who serve. Which is a noticeable culture change in areas where large numbers of Indians live together. Question: Is there a term one can use to describe a traditional British person that makes definition for this conversation without the inevitable response that we are ALL British? I can't think of one. It’s quite an important distinction, Zany. I genuinely think you should. Let’s accept your assertion that people of Indian origin tend to have a more arrogant attitude towards people who serve, (whether that remains true I have no view on). In what way is that “losing our culture” surely it has no relevance to the way you choose to behave. |
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Post by equivocal on Jun 30, 2024 13:17:51 GMT
Yes, that would be racial stereotyping. On the other hand, granting asylum to a woman who campaigned for freedom from religious persecution in Iran or a gay individual threatened with imprisonment in Uganda would not.
Different countries have, I think, cultural norms which differ from British cultural norms. Some, if not most, of those differences are unimportant. On the other hand, attitudes to religion, freedom of expression, women's rights and the rights of those who identify as LGBT are, I think, quite important.
Yes of course. However living in fear of people fleeing such regimes bringing those practices with them is illogical. Of course, but it is only a small number to whom we offer asylum. Others come from countries with incompatible values through 'normal' immigration.
Personally, I don't see cultural problems as insurmountable but I think it at best naive to believe that large numbers of people with different values settling in Britain make no difference to Britain's cultural norms.
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Post by patman post on Jun 30, 2024 14:01:17 GMT
It is perhaps Illuminative when those who claim to be prevented from articulating their opinion, when given the opportunity to explain their view by giving say three practical examples of their issue instead prefer to close the conversation down by reverting to abuse. Isn't that a pointer to the way a society's culture evolves?
For the UK, growing robust questioning of the establishment's assertions has caused its followers' assertions to become even more wild and forcefully put — even to the point of calling legit movement pedos and pervs...
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Post by Zany on Jun 30, 2024 14:33:19 GMT
Yes, that would be racial stereotyping. On the other hand, granting asylum to a woman who campaigned for freedom from religious persecution in Iran or a gay individual threatened with imprisonment in Uganda would not.
Different countries have, I think, cultural norms which differ from British cultural norms. Some, if not most, of those differences are unimportant. On the other hand, attitudes to religion, freedom of expression, women's rights and the rights of those who identify as LGBT are, I think, quite important.
Yes of course. However living in fear of people fleeing such regimes bringing those practices with them is illogical. When did this stop being about immigration and become about asylum seeking? As far as I am aware there will never be enough asylum seekers to alter our cultural norms even if they wanted to. |
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Post by Zany on Jun 30, 2024 14:42:32 GMT
Well rather than turn this thread into another word game. I will add the word tend in future. An example might well be the Indian attitude towards those who serve. Which is a noticeable culture change in areas where large numbers of Indians live together. Question: Is there a term one can use to describe a traditional British person that makes definition for this conversation without the inevitable response that we are ALL British? I can't think of one. It’s quite an important distinction, Zany. I genuinely think you should. Let’s accept your assertion that people of Indian origin tend to have a more arrogant attitude towards people who serve, (whether that remains true I have no view on). In what way is that “losing our culture” surely it has no relevance to the way you choose to behave. It is certainly something my staff in some towns have suffered, its alien in the Uk to be berated for not running over to open the door for a customer. How it might be equated to losing our culture only applies to those who live in such areas where its becoming frequent, where their bosses (people like me) submit to the requirements of their customers to the detriment of their staff, but have no choice, for to challenge the attitude is immediately assumed to have racist roots and could destroy a whole business. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 30, 2024 14:54:39 GMT
Do they have scones with jam and cream in Pakistan? Dear oh dear. Monte said: Northerners talk funny and people from Devon put the cream and jam on their scones in the wrong order. Note you didn't say. Do the people talk with funny in Pakistan.  Of course. Maybe next time I'll put a in there. |
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