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Post by Zany on May 31, 2024 11:41:43 GMT
Labour are suggesting the the new Great British energy policy will save consumers £300 a year. But this relies on 98% of electricity being produced by renewables. (This is obviously not from day one.) Last year 68% was still from non fossil fuels. Last month that was 78% from non fossil fuels Yesterday 92.2% from non fossil fuels  Two questions rise in my mind. 1, How realistic to reach 98% in 5 years? 2, Looking at the long term gains who would be happy to see prices rise a bit to get the infrastructure built and more renewable energy produced sooner. Interestingly. we are going to end up with a lot of spare night time energy even allowing for car charging, where could we use that? Perhaps UV light for growing veg and fruit at night as well as day. Anything else? |
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Post by equivocal on May 31, 2024 11:54:11 GMT
Labour are suggesting the the new Great British energy policy will save consumers £300 a year. But this relies on 98% of electricity being produced by renewables. (This is obviously not from day one.) Last year 68% was still from non fossil fuels. Last month that was 78% from non fossil fuels Yesterday 92.2% from non fossil fuels Two questions rise in my mind. 1, How realistic to reach 98% in 5 years? 2, Looking at the long term gains who would be happy to see prices rise a bit to get the infrastructure built and more renewable energy produced sooner. Interestingly. we are going to end up with a lot of spare night time energy even allowing for car charging, where could we use that? Perhaps UV light for growing veg and fruit at night as well as day. Anything else? Industrial sized 'storage heaters'.
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Post by Zany on May 31, 2024 12:06:52 GMT
Labour are suggesting the the new Great British energy policy will save consumers £300 a year. But this relies on 98% of electricity being produced by renewables. (This is obviously not from day one.) Last year 68% was still from non fossil fuels. Last month that was 78% from non fossil fuels Yesterday 92.2% from non fossil fuels Two questions rise in my mind. 1, How realistic to reach 98% in 5 years? 2, Looking at the long term gains who would be happy to see prices rise a bit to get the infrastructure built and more renewable energy produced sooner. Interestingly. we are going to end up with a lot of spare night time energy even allowing for car charging, where could we use that? Perhaps UV light for growing veg and fruit at night as well as day. Anything else? Industrial sized 'storage heaters'.
That is fantastic. Industrial use of gas is by far the hardest to convert economically. And definitely up for overnight use.  |
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Post by patman post on May 31, 2024 12:33:29 GMT
Labour are suggesting the the new Great British energy policy will save consumers £300 a year. But this relies on 98% of electricity being produced by renewables. (This is obviously not from day one.) Last year 68% was still from non fossil fuels. Last month that was 78% from non fossil fuels Yesterday 92.2% from non fossil fuels Two questions rise in my mind. 1, How realistic to reach 98% in 5 years? 2, Looking at the long term gains who would be happy to see prices rise a bit to get the infrastructure built and more renewable energy produced sooner. Interestingly. we are going to end up with a lot of spare night time energy even allowing for car charging, where could we use that? Perhaps UV light for growing veg and fruit at night as well as day. Anything else? Storage, perhaps? Apart from individual domestic systems, there are community battery and community powerbank schemes.
Below is an interesting view of what's being rolled out in Australia:...
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Post by Steve on May 31, 2024 13:29:02 GMT
Labour are suggesting the the new Great British energy policy will save consumers £300 a year. But this relies on 98% of electricity being produced by renewables. (This is obviously not from day one.) Last year 68% was still from non fossil fuels. Last month that was 78% from non fossil fuels Yesterday 92.2% from non fossil fuels Two questions rise in my mind. 1, How realistic to reach 98% in 5 years? 2, Looking at the long term gains who would be happy to see prices rise a bit to get the infrastructure built and more renewable energy produced sooner. Interestingly. we are going to end up with a lot of spare night time energy even allowing for car charging, where could we use that? Perhaps UV light for growing veg and fruit at night as well as day. Anything else? 1. very unrealistic. Spot figures in the April to October span aren't representative. And we don't have enough storage for days when the wind don't blow 2. yes I would but then I'm not poor, many people are. The last 20 years of rather small gains taking low hanging fruit shouldn't mislead anyone into believing net zero will be tough to achieve and even tougher to sell to the public. |
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Post by Zany on May 31, 2024 16:09:15 GMT
Labour are suggesting the the new Great British energy policy will save consumers £300 a year. But this relies on 98% of electricity being produced by renewables. (This is obviously not from day one.) Last year 68% was still from non fossil fuels. Last month that was 78% from non fossil fuels Yesterday 92.2% from non fossil fuels Two questions rise in my mind. 1, How realistic to reach 98% in 5 years? 2, Looking at the long term gains who would be happy to see prices rise a bit to get the infrastructure built and more renewable energy produced sooner. Interestingly. we are going to end up with a lot of spare night time energy even allowing for car charging, where could we use that? Perhaps UV light for growing veg and fruit at night as well as day. Anything else? Storage, perhaps? Apart from individual domestic systems, there are community battery and community powerbank schemes.
Below is an interesting view of what's being rolled out in Australia:...
I remember reading a while back that when EV batteries start to lose their range they would be sold on as home batteries in remote areas, but I think with electricity so cheap and abundant at night we will find a home battery pack on the wall of very many homes. |
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Post by Zany on May 31, 2024 16:23:05 GMT
Labour are suggesting the the new Great British energy policy will save consumers £300 a year. But this relies on 98% of electricity being produced by renewables. (This is obviously not from day one.) Last year 68% was still from non fossil fuels. Last month that was 78% from non fossil fuels Yesterday 92.2% from non fossil fuels Two questions rise in my mind. 1, How realistic to reach 98% in 5 years? 2, Looking at the long term gains who would be happy to see prices rise a bit to get the infrastructure built and more renewable energy produced sooner. Interestingly. we are going to end up with a lot of spare night time energy even allowing for car charging, where could we use that? Perhaps UV light for growing veg and fruit at night as well as day. Anything else? 1. very unrealistic. Spot figures in the April to October span aren't representative. And we don't have enough storage for days when the wind don't blow 2. yes I would but then I'm not poor, many people are. 3.The last 20 years of rather small gains taking low hanging fruit shouldn't mislead anyone into believing net zero will be tough to achieve and even tougher to sell to the public. 1, Yes I think its unrealistic, I think we could reach 85% in 5 years, maybe 95% in domestic use if we can store more. Though in fact better usage will probably become the answer. 2, I would favour a scheme where the first 6Kwh of electricity were cheap and then the price increased. That way the frugal and poor would not contribute much but the rich and profligate would. 3. I always see net zero as an easy explanation rather than an achievable target. But we've moved quite quickly to producing 70% of our electricity from non fossil. For me the next low hanging fruit is home heating. I think we will see a mix of night storage and gas powered heat pumps/ water heaters in the next 24 months. Gas powered heat pumps use 60% less gas for the same amount of heat out put and reduce the need to restructure the electric grid. |
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Post by Steve on May 31, 2024 16:39:06 GMT
Home heating is not a low hanging fruit. If it were then governments various would have done the obvious measure of hiking taxes on home energy same way they were hiked for petrol on supposed environmental grounds.
But the truth is such a hike is political suicide and the hikes in petrol tax were more about raising revenue for government pet project using environment as an excuse than actually caring about the environment.
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Post by Zany on May 31, 2024 21:13:29 GMT
Home heating is not a low hanging fruit. If it were then governments various would have done the obvious measure of hiking taxes on home energy same way they were hiked for petrol on supposed environmental grounds. But the truth is such a hike is political suicide and the hikes in petrol tax were more about raising revenue for government pet project using environment as an excuse than actually caring about the environment. You need the availability before the coercion. You couldn't make people switch to electric cars before they existed. |
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Post by Steve on May 31, 2024 21:34:30 GMT
They didn't wait for electric cars before hiking vehicle tax on supposedly environmental grounds
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Post by Zany on May 31, 2024 22:08:41 GMT
They didn't wait for electric cars before hiking vehicle tax on supposedly environmental grounds What date did that happen. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 1, 2024 10:18:13 GMT
Early 2000s IIRC
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Post by Steve on Jun 1, 2024 10:20:55 GMT
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Post by Zany on Jun 1, 2024 20:29:01 GMT
But not to make you switch to electric cars. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 1, 2024 21:09:54 GMT
But not to make you switch to electric cars. I didn't say it was, in fact I said They didn't wait for electric cars before hiking vehicle tax on supposedly environmental grounds |
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