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Post by RedRum on Jun 3, 2024 12:51:31 GMT
Wrong! A five year old goes into a shop to buy sweets and they pay Value Added Tax
And did that 5yo go out and work for that money? You are arguing a silly point, give it up. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 3, 2024 13:24:04 GMT
Although the brain stops growing in size by early adolescence, the teen years are all about fine-tuning how the brain works. The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions. www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-7-things-to-know |
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Post by Steve on Jun 3, 2024 14:18:27 GMT
Wrong! A five year old goes into a shop to buy sweets and they pay Value Added Tax
And did that 5yo go out and work for that money? You are arguing a silly point, give it up. Excuse me, you were arguing that those that pay tax have to have a say in how it is spent. Not my fault it turned out to be a silly proposition as my test example showed. This is all really simple: if the argument for votes at 16 is that such will overwhelmingly be adult enough to be part of determining all our futures then they should also be adult enough to take adult responsibility for crimes committed. And if not the latter then not the former either. |
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Post by RedRum on Jun 4, 2024 2:49:24 GMT
And did that 5yo go out and work for that money? You are arguing a silly point, give it up. Excuse me, you were arguing that those that pay tax have to have a say in how it is spent. Not my fault it turned out to be a silly proposition as my test example showed. This is all really simple: if the argument for votes at 16 is that such will overwhelmingly be adult enough to be part of determining all our futures then they should also be adult enough to take adult responsibility for crimes committed. And if not the latter then not the former either. And I have not said that those committing crimes should not accept responsibility for those crimes and accept the punishment meted out, that is the point we are arguing. Sending 16yo's to an adult prison is, in my opinion and the opinion of the law, would be exceptionally harsh and further risk the person to physical and mental harm which has nothing to do with their cognitive abilities when it comes to electing someone to represent their views in government. 5yo's do not pay tax no matter how many sweets they buy. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 4, 2024 7:55:25 GMT
So now you say there is no VAT on sweets. Oh yes there is
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Post by RedRum on Jun 4, 2024 8:59:55 GMT
So now you say there is no VAT on sweets. Oh yes there is When did I say that there is no VAT on sweets? You are putting words in my mouth. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 4, 2024 9:00:31 GMT
When you said a 5 year old buying sweets wasn't paying VAT
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Post by RedRum on Jun 4, 2024 13:20:33 GMT
When you said a 5 year old buying sweets wasn't paying VAT So that means there is no VAT on sweets?? Whoever buys the sweets for the child pays the VAT, this is a daft conversation. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 4, 2024 15:42:49 GMT
So again you swerve all over the place and still get it wrong.
If the child goes in the shop and hands over the money for the sweets then the child is paying the VAT
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Post by RedRum on Jun 5, 2024 5:23:06 GMT
So again you swerve all over the place and still get it wrong. If the child goes in the shop and hands over the money for the sweets then the child is paying the VAT The child is given the money it is not earned by the child therefore whoever gave them the money is paying the VAT. What I don't understand is why you think sending a 5 year old to an adult prison if they commit a crime is a good idea. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 5, 2024 8:24:22 GMT
Look your supposed point was whoever pays tax should have a part in deciding how it is spent. Nothing to do with how the money is earned.
The child has made a decision to spend money on taxable sweets, they could have used it in other ways but they did not so they are paying tax. If you really believed your line you would argue that 5 year old should have the vote.
But you don't believe your own line do you. You just want 16 year olds to have cake and eat it
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Post by Orac on Jun 5, 2024 9:07:09 GMT
I guess it all rests on what you mean by 'pay tax'
A child typically doesn't provide the work that is transferred to the exchequer with a tax payment. In a real sense, paying tax with someone else's money, isn't really paying tax
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Post by RedRum on Jun 5, 2024 10:13:18 GMT
Look your supposed point was whoever pays tax should have a part in deciding how it is spent. Nothing to do with how the money is earned. The child has made a decision to spend money on taxable sweets, they could have used it in other ways but they did not so they are paying tax. If you really believed your line you would argue that 5 year old should have the vote. But you don't believe your own line do you. You just want 16 year olds to have cake and eat it How many 5 year olds go shopping? The child may choose the sweets but someone else always pays with money they have earned. My point about 16 year olds, as well you know, is that they are eligible to pay taxes in their own right and should have a say in how those taxes are spent, 5 year olds do not earn money, unless you want to start making the argument that it is 'pocket' money and they earn it by being good, that is not earning, it is bribery and they should be locked up in an adult prison as you appear to want them to be. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 5, 2024 17:13:03 GMT
I don't care, the example proved your line to be false
PS a 14 year old can be earning and paying income tax as well as VAT.
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Post by RedRum on Jun 6, 2024 9:26:40 GMT
I don't care, the example proved your line to be false PS a 14 year old can be earning and paying income tax as well as VAT. Then 14 year olds should have the vote. I have not provided any examples?? |
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