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Post by Steve on May 26, 2024 13:03:11 GMT
Yes you were naive to repeat the 'gospel' according to Boris. As for taking the word of Paxman try quoting what you suppose he said
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Post by vinny on May 26, 2024 14:54:06 GMT
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Post by Steve on May 26, 2024 16:59:43 GMT
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Post by vinny on May 26, 2024 17:06:42 GMT
You've missed the point entirely. I have read it, it's waffle.
The EU never misses the opportunity to overcomplicate it's legislation with Humphrey Appleby like bureaucratic verbosity.
For that reason it's an idiotic bit of legislation. It doesn't make easy reading.
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Post by Zany on May 26, 2024 17:55:29 GMT
You've missed the point entirely. I have read it, it's waffle. The EU never misses the opportunity to overcomplicate it's legislation with Humphrey Appleby like bureaucratic verbosity. For that reason it's an idiotic bit of legislation. It doesn't make easy reading. How would you know if you don't understand either it or what it sets out to achieve.
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Post by vinny on May 26, 2024 18:14:05 GMT
Which bit of "There's so much waffle its not easy to read" are you having trouble with?
The easier something is to read, the easier it is to avoid misinterpretations.
So legislation that "bananas must not be rotten or damaged, either by pests or impact, whilst being large enough to eat" would make more sense than the drivel of that document.
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Post by Steve on May 26, 2024 18:17:19 GMT
You've missed the point entirely. I have read it, it's waffle. The EU never misses the opportunity to overcomplicate it's legislation with Humphrey Appleby like bureaucratic verbosity. For that reason it's an idiotic bit of legislation. It doesn't make easy reading. But it's very clear it doesn't ban normal bent bananas
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Post by Zany on May 26, 2024 18:20:12 GMT
Which bit of "There's so much waffle its not easy to read" are you having trouble with? The easier something is to read, the easier it is to avoid misinterpretations. So legislation that "bananas must not be rotten or damaged, either by pests or impact, whilst being large enough to eat" would make more sense than the drivel of that document. You should try reading a commercial lease. 150 plus pages all written in legalise. I have to read them in batches of 6 pages or my brain glazes over and I miss stuff. Then when our lawyers ask if we are concerned about the military access we've agreed to I have to feign knowledge. That's just the way legalise is written Vinny, its not just the EU.
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Post by Steve on May 26, 2024 18:23:04 GMT
The problem is those detail agreements have to cover just about every possible eventuality otherwise it ends up with a court deciding what 'each side will act fairly' means
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Post by Steve on Jun 6, 2024 13:19:01 GMT
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Post by Zany on Jun 6, 2024 18:24:30 GMT
I can remember trying to explain to the idiots why we paid a fee for membership.
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Post by Steve on Jun 6, 2024 18:54:16 GMT
And they will have just gone
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Post by Zany on Jun 6, 2024 20:39:37 GMT
And they will have just gone Was the theme at the time.
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Post by vinny on Jun 12, 2024 8:40:36 GMT
You've missed the point entirely. I have read it, it's waffle. The EU never misses the opportunity to overcomplicate it's legislation with Humphrey Appleby like bureaucratic verbosity. For that reason it's an idiotic bit of legislation. It doesn't make easy reading. But it's very clear it doesn't ban normal bent bananas Did I say that it had? It provided waffle, didn't it? All that was needed was a brief note "no bruising, damage, deformity or rot", not the absolute drivel they came out with.
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Post by Saint on Jun 12, 2024 9:00:41 GMT
But it's very clear it doesn't ban normal bent bananas Did I say that it had? It provided waffle, didn't it? All that was needed was a brief note "no bruising, damage, deformity or rot", not the absolute drivel they came out with. All legislation is written that way. Language is elastic. Words can be stretched to mean more than is intended. Extraordinarily precise technical language is required to avoid this. This happens in every jurisdiction. But the problem faced by the EU is even greater than is normal. They have to produce legislation in many different languages, all of which have to mean precisely the same thing. If they fail in this, the law will be interpreted in different ways in different member states. This means that EU law will be different in different member states. So, extra efforts have to be made to achieve exact language. Can you even begin to conceive how difficult that is? It's arduous and time consuming, but there's no alternative. And EU law is famous worldwide for its quality. It's often imitated outside the EU. Read any non-EU commercial law journal and you will frequently find calls to adopt legislation based on the EU model. The legislation you describe as waffle is in fact the gold standard. It will appear as waffle to you only because you're not accustomed to reading legal documents.
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