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Post by Saint on Apr 10, 2024 10:59:53 GMT
What is the 'meaning' of a pair of scissors?
The 'meaning' of a pair of scissors is cutting material.
What is the meaning of a hammer?
The 'meaning' of a hammer is driving in nails.
A thing's 'meaning' is deduced from the purpose its creator/inventor had in mind when s/he created it. The meaning of a hammer is driving in nails because that is the purpose its creator/inventor had in mind when he first attached a blunt piece of heavy metal to a handle.
This is what Jean-Paul Sartre claimed, before going on to say that life is meaningless if there is no Divine Creator. For him, an atheist, the answer to the question what is the meaning of life is: life has no meaning. Life cannot have meaning if there was no creator to imbue it with purpose at the point of its creation.
Was he right?
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Post by srb7677 on Apr 10, 2024 11:40:08 GMT
What is the 'meaning' of a pair of scissors? The 'meaning' of a pair of scissors is cutting material. What is the meaning of a hammer? The 'meaning' of a hammer is driving in nails. A thing's 'meaning' is deduced from the purpose its creator/inventor had in mind when s/he created it. The meaning of a hammer is driving in nails because that is the purpose its creator/inventor had in mind when he first attached a blunt piece of heavy metal to a handle. This is what Jean-Paul Sartre claimed, before going on to say that life is meaningless if there is no Divine Creator. For him, an atheist, the answer to the question what is the meaning of life is: life has no meaning. Life cannot have meaning if there was no creator to imbue it with purpose at the point of its creation. Was he right? This cannot be proven one way or another. I am inclined to believe that something as complex and inherently wondrous as life must have some purpose and I have a whole load of spiritual, semi-religious beliefs, about how we have come to be and what our ultimate reason for existence is. But these beliefs are my own and I cannot prove them to be true and will not waste time describing them. But essentially, anyone who adheres to any religion or has formulated beliefs of their own that allow for the existence of more than merely atoms and molecules will tend to see in all of creation meaning and purpose, and quite often the existence of some sort of creator, supreme being, life force, God, that sets creation in motion and guides our course and destiny. Views very much differ on what that purpose is but those who think in terms of there being more to existence than the merely physical realm we can see usually assume some sort of divine purpose, however conceived. Not too many go on to ask the ultimate question though. If a creator is necessary to imbue existence with purpose, who imbues the creator with purpose? If we assume that everything needs a creator to be imbued with purpose, then how can the creator itself have purpose unless something created the creator? Philosophically, we end up assuming every creator itself must have had a creator to imbue its existence with meaning in an infinite chain of creators creating creators, which makes little logical sense. There are only two alternative possible conclusions I can see. One is that all existence including that of any creator itself is essentially meaningless, just a serious of random events playing out. And that nothing we see or have ever known has any purpose at all, just random things happening. The second is that purpose can itself be inherent to a thing or can develop naturally without any need for a creator at all. And if there is a creator, purpose itself is inherent to it without it having to be created. This latter seems to me to be most likely, that purpose itself is something that tends to evolve without needing a creator to give it that purpose, though some form of creator or creative force might still be a possibility. Even if philosophically unnecessary according to this view.
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Post by Saintly on Apr 10, 2024 11:53:45 GMT
What is the 'meaning' of a pair of scissors? Not too many go on to ask the ultimate question though. If a creator is necessary to imbue existence with purpose, who imbues the creator with purpose? If we assume that everything needs a creator to be imbued with purpose, then how can the creator itself have purpose unless something created the creator? Philosophically, we end up assuming every creator itself must have had a creator to imbue its existence with meaning in an infinite chain of creators creating creators, which makes little logical sense. Good point. As devil's advocate, though, I might say that Sartre believed a pair of scissors to have a meaning, even though he didn't believe the person who created it had a meaning. I mean, not everything in the chain of creation has to have a meaning.
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Post by delphicoracle on Apr 10, 2024 12:12:37 GMT
Is the question " The meaning of life" or The meaning of YOUR life"?
They are two very different things.
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Post by Saint on Apr 10, 2024 12:38:42 GMT
Is the question " The meaning of life" or The meaning of YOUR life"? They are two very different things. What is the meaning of life? It's an often-posed question. It's usually understood to mean the meaning of life as a whole, rather than an individual life.
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Post by Orac on Apr 10, 2024 17:19:09 GMT
For life to have meaning it must move something outside itself. I think the problem here is we don't have an accepted and clear meaning for the word 'meaning'
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Post by delphicoracle on Apr 10, 2024 17:23:46 GMT
To have meaning there must be an objective. Science says in a few billion years there wont even be a universe. Life has no meaning. It is just some bunch of chemicals and forces that happened by chance to find ways to reproduce. Enjoy it while you can.
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Post by srb7677 on Apr 16, 2024 17:45:10 GMT
To have meaning there must be an objective. Science says in a few billion years there wont even be a universe. Life has no meaning. It is just some bunch of chemicals and forces that happened by chance to find ways to reproduce. Enjoy it while you can. I am not convinced it is as simple as that. I believe life has a purpose but am not going to hit you with matters of my own faith. I just find it hard to believe that something as complex as us can evolve for no reason. I suspect many places in this universe have been seeded with life, and that we are unlikely to be alone. The laws of chance alone in a universe so vast tend to suggest that. I suspect it is part of the natural process of the universe to create oases for life to develop, for this life to eventually evolve intelligence, and ultimately for at least some life in some places to evolve the ability to transcend the end of the physical universe by means we cannot even begin to contemplate right now. I cannot prove any of that of course, but for such intelligent and complex entities as ourselves to have developed is to me itself highly suggestive of the notion that life has some purpose.
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