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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2024 7:46:27 GMT
The behaviour of MPs is as big an issue as the politics. You're right, it totally puts people off. All the braying in parliament and the one line insults instead of proper debate doesn't help either, and the failure to answer questions is a travesty. How do we improve the integrity of our politicians? Some say we don;t pay them enough but I don't get that at all. We already have too many lawyers and business leaders and not enough ordinary people. There are very few MPs from working class backgrounds. 90% of people in this country at least would see an MPs salary as a good one and would be glad to do the job for it. What we should do is ban outside sources of income, so that an MP works full time as an MP rather than being focussed upon maximising his own income. Being an MP should be a vocation for those who want to serve the people, not a means of simply getting ahead or feathering their own nests. They should be in it for us and not their careers. And should be banned from taking top jobs in business or elsewhere for five years after leaving parliament. Insofar as all the braying is concerned, ban alcohol in their workplace as it generally is for most of the rest of us. That would probably help a lot. PMQs does our democracy far more harm than good, all pantomime, point scoring and evasion, entirely focussed upon trying to deliver the killer soundbite rather than anything constructive. We'd be better served if they did away with it altogether. It is entirely farcical.
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Post by Zany on Apr 7, 2024 7:56:40 GMT
The behaviour of MPs is as big an issue as the politics. You're right, it totally puts people off. All the braying in parliament and the one line insults instead of proper debate doesn't help either, and the failure to answer questions is a travesty. How do we improve the integrity of our politicians? The only thing we have is to vote for parties who behave with more integrity. There is a lot of media pointing to Labours wrongs, but they are small dice compared to what has become the Tory party. We need to tell the Conservatives that behaving like a dodgy business is not acceptable in a government. Hopefully if they get a big enough thrashing this time they will attempt to clean up their act in time for the next election. IMO they are similar to the worst parties in eastern Europe, constantly with their hands in the till while distracting by inflating minor issues such as What's a woman, Hate crime etc.
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Post by RedRum on Apr 13, 2024 8:09:33 GMT
It appears that Labour are losing a lot of the young voters to the Greens and independents.
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Post by Zany on Apr 13, 2024 8:22:24 GMT
It appears that Labour are losing a lot of the young voters to the Greens and independents. Young people tend to be idealistic. What age group are to talking of?
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Apr 14, 2024 8:59:45 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 14, 2024 8:59:45 GMT
The latest poll from YouGov (who do tend to be a bit of an outlier) actually puts the LibDems in as the official opposition. That would be quite remarkable.
The other thing that I noted from the breakdown of the poll is the demographic of the Reform voter - very skewed towards retirees.
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Post by Zany on Apr 14, 2024 10:30:08 GMT
The latest poll from YouGov (who do tend to be a bit of an outlier) actually puts the LibDems in as the official opposition. That would be quite remarkable. The other thing that I noted from the breakdown of the poll is the demographic of the Reform voter - very skewed towards retirees. I wonder how many older pensioners will really vote reform when it comes to the ballot. Old people find change very hard and I suspect many will protest that they will vote reform but return to type at the ballot box. I also think that having lost the position of alternative party to the Greens etc, I don't see the Lib dems as official opposition at all.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 14, 2024 11:35:03 GMT
Apologies, I missed the link...
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 14, 2024 11:39:54 GMT
The latest poll from YouGov (who do tend to be a bit of an outlier) actually puts the LibDems in as the official opposition. That would be quite remarkable. The other thing that I noted from the breakdown of the poll is the demographic of the Reform voter - very skewed towards retirees. I wonder how many older pensioners will really vote reform when it comes to the ballot. Old people find change very hard and I suspect many will protest that they will vote reform but return to type at the ballot box. I also think that having lost the position of alternative party to the Greens etc, I don't see the Lib dems as official opposition at all. Agreed. There are a lot of Reform blue rinses that will return to the Tories prior to the GE, and also we have the "shy Tory" factor regardless. Will almost certainly put the Tories in second place, but the fact that it's even under consideration is wild.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 14, 2024 11:41:24 GMT
I've no idea why that isn't showing the link?
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Post by dappy on Apr 14, 2024 12:04:05 GMT
Link shows fine Andrew.
I am broadly Blairite Centre/Left - could at the moment vote Lib or Lab or even Green.
My instinct is that the Tories will do better than the polls say although can’t see anything but a comfortable Labour win. Not sure though if that instinct is based on a genuine consideration of the current political landscape or just the experience of the past and a long run of political disappointments. Perhaps a complete meltdown is possible?. It must though be quite hard to vote Tory at the moment when they are so clearly split , when it is not really clear what Sunak stands for and when there is every chance if they did somehow recover and win that the Tory Right would look to replace him with one of their own. It’s not impossible they could completely implode.
Labour I have to say are uninspiring. They will face huge challenges if they win. They will have to throw off their current extreme caution if they wish to achieve anything in power.
I suspect Reform will fall back to around 8% in the election and get no seats. I don’t think they are more than a protest votes for largely elderly and largely northern voters.
Lib Dem’s are simply “Not the Tories” .
Perhaps surprisingly I see little evidence of the clear unofficial Lib Lab pact that we see in by-elections - where one tacitly stands back in favour of the other. I wonder if the Tories will hang on to a few 40-30-30 seats that could have been won if Lab and Lib worked better together.
With Labour likely to be no more than OK and possibly fail and the press in full “UKIP” mode , it does feel like there might be an opportunity for the Populists in 2029 - whether they win the post election Tory civil war or try to do it through Reform. They are generally a pretty unappealing bunch though and have many giant egos. They will need to find a better leader than Farage, Braverman, Patel, Johnson or Tice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2024 6:37:25 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 22, 2024 7:03:46 GMT
I think that graph probably looks about right to me. Although after about 2-3 weeks of a new Parliament, I'm not convinced that it yet shows anything worthwhile. It would increase the number of Labour and Reform MPs at the expense of the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2024 7:08:07 GMT
Excellent, long may the downward trend for Labour continue, then hopefully we'll see both Tories and Lab wiped out in time
The bad news is Reform gaining fast, which isn't something Labour should be celebrating, if I was Labour it's not something I would be happy with that's for sure, but then I don't have to worry about race riots most probably where I am
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 22, 2024 7:27:00 GMT
Obviously over the summer recess there's very little politics going on. I wouldn't read too much into it at the minute. Whether Reform stick about will be an interesting question, but I think that the outcome there is more dependant on the Tories than Reform themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2024 8:16:38 GMT
From what I've been reading, there's a surprising amount of politics going on over the recess and plenty coming out about each party in turn. I wouldn't write off recesses as non politically charged times because everything's politically charged right now.
I hope Reform implode, but to me it seems like Labour have been imploding according to the media reports about Sue Gray infighting, wonder how long that will all last? The Tories seem on a rightward trajectory and are trying to steal Reform's thunder but no one believes them anymore, just like they often don't believe pollsters
I suspect the polling about Labour says quite a lot, frankly, if it's going down during recess imagine what it will look like when they actually start doing .. whatever it is they're doing again?
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