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Post by vinny on Nov 10, 2024 15:33:04 GMT
If I were Starmer, my message to Trump would be this.
Support NATO, support Ukraine.
If you don't, you lose access to RAF bases on British sovereign soil including logistics, bombers, fighters and the signals intelligence base at Menwith Hill.
You lose American military contracts with the British armed forces and we will go to Airbus Military for alternatives, even to replace the Apache the Rivet Joint and the new P8 Poseidons. Because if America cannot be trusted to support allies, it cannot be trusted to provide spare parts either.
I'd imagine the cost to the US military industrial complex would run into the hundreds of billions and Trump will reconsider his position with his arm twisted firmly behind his crooked back.
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Post by montegriffo on Nov 10, 2024 15:38:09 GMT
Trump would impose 100% tariffs on all British goods and threaten to bomb Stonehenge.
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Post by vinny on Nov 11, 2024 7:19:21 GMT
Under most favoured nation rules he can't do that. So a raise on tariffs on one country becomes a raise on all, otherwise it's a case for dispute resolution at the WTO and fines.
Also, last time he raised tariffs, it wasn't by much and our exports to the USA went up in value.
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Post by Steve on Nov 11, 2024 8:46:57 GMT
Under most favoured nation rules he can't do that. So a raise on tariffs on one country becomes a raise on all, otherwise it's a case for dispute resolution at the WTO and fines. Also, last time he raised tariffs, it wasn't by much and our exports to the USA went up in value. I suspect Trump will just say he doesn't recognise WTO. The bigger pressure on him to rethink those 20% tariffs (and 60% for China) is the inflation it'd trigger in the USA. |
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Post by vinny on Nov 11, 2024 8:53:29 GMT
Last time he was in he cut taxes and ran a big deficit resulting in lasting inflation.
He's an economic buffoon.
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Post by borg0 on Nov 11, 2024 15:43:10 GMT
The WTO is imperfect, it allows rich countries to bully smaller ones
Its intention was pure, it wanted to help expand free trade and actually protect smaller ones, but in reality, that's often not what happens
Replace it with something better, that's what Trump pushed Europe to do last time, he pushed it to start to get its act together and maybe that's no bad thing.
Sometimes it takes an agent of change we may not like to give us a shove in the right direction and I don't agree with much of the America 1st beliefs myself, some of them yes, but by no means even half of them, which is not to say they don't mean well because they do and are patriots
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Post by montegriffo on Nov 11, 2024 17:01:13 GMT
My message to Trump is... You've got both Houses and the Executive, the ball is in your court and you have no excuses. Now let's see if you can fulfil your campaign promises this time. You failed spectacularly last time. You didn't build a beautiful wall from coast to coast and you didn't make Mexico pay. You didn't ban all Muslims from entering the US. You didn't replace Obamacare, even now you still don't have a plan to replace it. After 8 years you only have ''a concept of a plan''  . You didn't 'lock her up'. You didn't get rid of the deficit, quite the opposite, you added more to it than any other administration in history. You didn't bring back jobs. So let's see what you've got Fatty. At least you are too scared to play golf now so you'll have a lot more time to get the job done. |
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Post by borg0 on Nov 11, 2024 17:06:07 GMT
To be fair, playing golf is pretty scary
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Post by montegriffo on Nov 11, 2024 17:13:47 GMT
To be fair, playing golf is pretty scary It is after multiple assassination attempts. Golf courses are almost impossible to secure. A well trained military sniper could conceal himself for days in one and wouldn't miss once the bloated one appeared. After his post election call to his buddy Vlad, I'm sure the CIA see him as a security threat. He's about to slash their budgets too. |
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Post by borg0 on Nov 11, 2024 17:25:20 GMT
Well I almost walked onto a golf course in East Roswell here in GA, it looked publicly accessible and I didn't quite realise what was going on, as soon as I ventured 1/4 way in (I didn't fully appreciate what I was stepping into), the guard dogs came running
It kind of melds with the local park so you end up walking in there by mistake if you're not paying too much attention
Like I said, golf is scary
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Post by equivocal on Nov 11, 2024 17:31:50 GMT
Well I almost walked onto a golf course in East Roswell here in GA, it looked publicly accessible and I didn't quite realise what was going on, as soon as I ventured 1/4 way in (I didn't fully appreciate what I was stepping into), the guard dogs came running It kind of melds with the local park so you end up walking in there by mistake if you're not paying too much attention Like I said, golf is scary Courses in Florida can be challenging.
(The ball was Trump's drive on a 595yd par 5)
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Post by borg0 on Nov 11, 2024 18:02:41 GMT
Knowing my luck, this is what will happen (unintentionally) if I try to play golf  |
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Post by vinny on Nov 12, 2024 8:03:29 GMT
Well I almost walked onto a golf course in East Roswell here in GA, it looked publicly accessible and I didn't quite realise what was going on, as soon as I ventured 1/4 way in (I didn't fully appreciate what I was stepping into), the guard dogs came running It kind of melds with the local park so you end up walking in there by mistake if you're not paying too much attention Like I said, golf is scary Courses in Florida can be challenging.
(The ball was Trump's drive on a 595yd par 5)
Why would it be a problem? It's 'merica, land of the gun. The most dangerous animal in America is the heavily armed human being who decides to trespass and open fire indiscriminately. They have no functional controls and despite two morons with guns having a try at Trump he still doesn't recognise any need to reform their laws. You can walk into a gunshop in any state and walk out with a shotgun. That's a serious weapon. |
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Post by borg0 on Nov 12, 2024 10:10:24 GMT
That's not true, they do checks and by no means are everyone eligible
For example, I'm not eligible
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Post by AvonCalling on Nov 12, 2024 10:52:36 GMT
Courses in Florida can be challenging.
(The ball was Trump's drive on a 595yd par 5)
Why would it be a problem? It's 'merica, land of the gun. The most dangerous animal in America is the heavily armed human being who decides to trespass and open fire indiscriminately. They have no functional controls and despite two morons with guns having a try at Trump he still doesn't recognise any need to reform their laws. You can walk into a gunshop in any state and walk out with a shotgun. That's a serious weapon. Challenging as an assassination weapon though |
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