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Post by Saint on Sept 17, 2024 20:13:58 GMT
We are not in the realm of thought crime. A thought crime in the Orwellian sense applies criminal liability for mere thoughts even when they are not accompanied by actions. In legal terms, a thought crime is one that requires mens rea only, without an actus reus. It is not illegal to merely think racist thoughts. Those thoughts must be accompanied by an actus reus. In the case of hate crimes, the publication or expression of those racist thoughts is the actus reus. There are no thought crimes. Nobody can he held to legal account for merely thinking racist thoughts. A twelve year old thinks there are only two genders and vocalisesthat for various reasons,is that enough cause for his school to refere hi. To prevent for fear he may be a terrorist recruit? I'm sorry, I don't understand. I think you wrote that post quite hastily. Would you mind elaborating? |
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Post by Zany on Sept 17, 2024 20:14:21 GMT
I can't help noticing that you avoided answering my specific question.Would you defend someone's right to publicly state that we should gas the Jews? Actually stand on a platform in the street and say it? Hopefully you are not so simplistic as to defend that on grounds of free speech. So the conversation should be 'where do the limits to free speech start'. And I can’t help noticing how you framed that question and I expected this and for that reason will not reply,if you think I support Jews or anyone else being subjected to genocide then you’ve never read andunderstood any of my posts here or elsewhere. THe question was deliberately off the scale to make the point that free speech must have limits. I think despite the question you can see the truth in that. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 17, 2024 20:25:06 GMT
Here's a link to a very interesting interview with 'Sir' Oswald Mosley. It's conducted by David Frost. It's amazing how times just don't seem to have changed at all. All the way through, this peddler of hate keeps insisting that his inflammatory speeches were nothing but the expression of free speech. That seems to be the far-right's go-to argument. ( Not saying Wapentake is on the far right).www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWqIExUfp4QWell I’m pleased you added that rider because I am in no way inclined to far right. What I find alarming is we seem to be going down the road of thought crime that and the inconsistencies in how the law is applied I find worrying. Should schools be referring a twelve year old boy to prevent extremist officers and being interviewed by police for saying there only two genders? Worth lookimg at what Prevent is there for www.counterterrorism.police.uk/what-we-do/prevent/ 'The government-led, multi-agency Prevent programme aims to stop individuals becoming terrorists . . .'And the boy was showing some of the precursors of terrorism. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 17, 2024 20:28:06 GMT
OK, if that example was to off the scale I'll pose another scenario.
Should Trump be allowed to continue spreading lies about Haitians eating pets following two schools being evacuated in Ohio after threats were made against immigrant children?
What if Haitian immigrants are killed in Ohio as a result of Trump's racist claims? Should he be stopped from repeating his lies at that point or should he still be allowed to say it on grounds of free speech?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 20:33:05 GMT
And I can’t help noticing how you framed that question and I expected this and for that reason will not reply,if you think I support Jews or anyone else being subjected to genocide then you’ve never read andunderstood any of my posts here or elsewhere. Of course I don't. I'm just trying to establish whether or not you agree there should be limits to free speech. Your avoidance of the question leads me to think that you don't think there should be. Then of course there are limits my worries are regards how people not involved directly in rioting or trying to burn down buildings are facing exemplary sentences for saying stupid things, Lucy Connolly for one and a Ricky Jones for another should at worst face suspended sentences. There's that and pronouncements from politicians. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 20:40:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 20:42:27 GMT
OK, if that example was to off the scale I'll pose another scenario. Should Trump be allowed to continue spreading lies about Haitians eating pets following two schools being evacuated in Ohio after threats were made against immigrant children? What if Haitian immigrants are killed in Ohio as a result of Trump's racist claims? Should he be stopped from repeating his lies at that point or should he still be allowed to say it on grounds of free speech? America is an open asylum,they say you get the govt you deserve,having said that what does that say about us? |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 17, 2024 20:43:51 GMT
"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*****g hotels full of the bastards for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it."
That is a clear incitement to violence. One hotel was set on fire and it is lucky nobody was seriously hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 20:47:14 GMT
"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*****g hotels full of the bastards for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it." That is a clear incitement to violence. One hotel was set on fire and it is lucky nobody was seriously hurt. And another stupidly said in public to a large crowd people like her should have their throats slit to a round of applause,jail them as well? |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 17, 2024 20:47:52 GMT
Same with Ricky Jones.
‘'disgusting Nazi fascists, we need to cut their throats and get rid of them.”
That is also an incitement to violence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 20:48:34 GMT
"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*****g hotels full of the bastards for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it." That is a clear incitement to violence. One hotel was set on fire and it is lucky nobody was seriously hurt. Ha well if you’re noticing what I didn’t answer I notice you didn’t comment on Ricky Jones |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 17, 2024 20:49:16 GMT
"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*****g hotels full of the bastards for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it." That is a clear incitement to violence. One hotel was set on fire and it is lucky nobody was seriously hurt. And another stupidly said in public to a large crowd people like her should have their throats slit to a round of applause,jail them as well? Jail Jones certainly. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 17, 2024 20:50:33 GMT
"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*****g hotels full of the bastards for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it." That is a clear incitement to violence. One hotel was set on fire and it is lucky nobody was seriously hurt. Ha well if you’re noticing what I didn’t answer I notice you didn’t comment on Ricky Jones See post before yours.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 20:50:46 GMT
 You just did,anyway we shouldn’t be jailing people for being stupid or if we should then all those clapping should be jailed too.
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 17, 2024 20:52:22 GMT
You just did,anyway we shouldn’t be jailing people for being stupid or if we should then all those clapping should be jailed too. They are not directly inciting violence. Ricky Jones was. |
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You just did,anyway we shouldn’t be jailing people for being stupid or if we should then all those clapping should be jailed too.