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Post by Zany on Apr 6, 2024 17:31:08 GMT
China is not an emerging economy they're out performing us. They are concerned about cleaning up the planet. You just wish it wasn't so. And I say thank god for optimists like me and the lefties, if it was left to the small C conservatives it would come down to war. And I bet you one thing, war with China would not end well. So if you don't mind I will continue to support the change needed, the improvements in agriculture, vertical farming and all the other things that lefties will invent to save the planet from those who give up at the first obstacle. Oh bless, ZG China have pumped more emissions into the environment over the past eight years than Great Britain has since the start of the industrial revolution, . Aw thanks Red. Did you know there's quite a lot more Chinese than there are of us. And did you know that they make a lot of our stuff for us? And more people, its really big, much bigger than you can imagine, bigger even than America. Yeah, especially as they're making all our stuff for us. Then he's a knob, but he's right in that it has a lot more to do with us than them. Well he can save his breath, we don't need him to tell us that climate change was caused by us and that we need to lead the way in fixing it. Net zero is merely a target we aspire to, I doubt we'll achieve it, just as I doubt we'll ever cure cancer. Still we keep trying because we understand the need. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 6, 2024 19:08:43 GMT
I cant do that quoting, it's form filling.
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Post by Zany on Apr 6, 2024 19:24:06 GMT
I cant do that quoting, it's form filling. OK So in short. There are a ,lot more Chinese than English, that's why they produce more than us. They also make most of our goods, the the coal they burn is really ours. Narendra Modi is a knob, but global warming is more down to us in the West than India. And we don't need him to tell us that climate change was caused by us and that we need to lead the way in fixing it. Net zero is merely a target we aspire to, I doubt we'll achieve it, just as I doubt we'll ever cure cancer. Still we keep trying because we understand the need. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 6, 2024 19:41:12 GMT
I cant do that quoting, it's form filling. OK So in short. There are a ,lot more Chinese than English, that's why they produce more than us. They also make most of our goods, the the coal they burn is really ours. Narendra Modi is a knob, but global warming is more down to us in the West than India. And we don't need him to tell us that climate change was caused by us and that we need to lead the way in fixing it. Net zero is merely a target we aspire to, I doubt we'll achieve it, just as I doubt we'll ever cure cancer. Still we keep trying because we understand the need. Whoa there, I was moderately uninterested until you said 'net zero is a target we aspire to'. ZG, if you honestly think the majority in this tiny country 'aspire' to net zero, then I have to assume your padded cell has no access to TV or radio... |
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Post by Zany on Apr 6, 2024 20:03:24 GMT
OK So in short. There are a ,lot more Chinese than English, that's why they produce more than us. They also make most of our goods, the the coal they burn is really ours. Narendra Modi is a knob, but global warming is more down to us in the West than India. And we don't need him to tell us that climate change was caused by us and that we need to lead the way in fixing it. Net zero is merely a target we aspire to, I doubt we'll achieve it, just as I doubt we'll ever cure cancer. Still we keep trying because we understand the need. Whoa there, I was moderately uninterested until you said 'net zero is a target we aspire to'. ZG, if you honestly think the majority in this tiny country 'aspire' to net zero, then I have to assume your padded cell has no access to TV or radio... We, as in the people I mix with. we are aware the proles are woefully ignorant. We have to look after you. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 7, 2024 6:54:36 GMT
I cant do that quoting, it's form filling. OK So in short. There are a ,lot more Chinese than English, that's why they produce more than us. They also make most of our goods, the the coal they burn is really ours. If we produce goods for others it's us that are doing it. However, If others produce goods for us, it's us that are doing that as well This is the kind of argumentation that signals to me that your position is lopsided against us |
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Post by Zany on Apr 7, 2024 7:04:39 GMT
OK So in short. There are a ,lot more Chinese than English, that's why they produce more than us. They also make most of our goods, the the coal they burn is really ours. If we produce goods for others it's us that are doing it. However, If others produce goods for us, it's us that are doing that as well This is the kind of argumentation that signals to me that your position is lopsided against us I think you're wrong there. I think if we produce goods for others its their pollution. Oh I know you're telling me what I think again but I refuse to take that here on this forum. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 7, 2024 7:55:31 GMT
If we produce goods for others it's us that are doing it. However, If others produce goods for us, it's us that are doing that as well This is the kind of argumentation that signals to me that your position is lopsided against us I think you're wrong there. I think if we produce goods for others its their pollution. Except when it's the British Empire producing goods for half the planet? |
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Post by Zany on Apr 7, 2024 7:58:18 GMT
I think you're wrong there. I think if we produce goods for others its their pollution. Except when it's the British Empire producing goods for half the planet? No, it was probably true then, it just wasn't so important as today. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 7, 2024 8:02:22 GMT
Except when it's the British Empire producing goods for half the planet? No, it was probably true then, it just wasn't so important as today. When you say 'it was probably true then' is that you saying you are using a different standard to evaluate contribution? |
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Post by Zany on Apr 7, 2024 8:12:45 GMT
No, it was probably true then, it just wasn't so important as today. When you say 'it was probably true then' is that you saying you are using a different standard to evaluate contribution? I'm saying its a distraction. A look over there a squirrel. |
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Post by montegriffo on Apr 7, 2024 10:44:25 GMT
OK So in short. There are a ,lot more Chinese than English, that's why they produce more than us. They also make most of our goods, the the coal they burn is really ours. If we produce goods for others it's us that are doing it. However, If others produce goods for us, it's us that are doing that as well This is the kind of argumentation that signals to me that your position is lopsided against us China wouldn't produce so much if nobody was buying it. The pollution is the responsibility of the consumer. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 7, 2024 11:51:54 GMT
If we produce goods for others it's us that are doing it. However, If others produce goods for us, it's us that are doing that as well This is the kind of argumentation that signals to me that your position is lopsided against us China wouldn't produce so much if nobody was buying it. The pollution is the responsibility of the consumer. I understand the principle. What i'm highlighting is the use of a variable principle / standard. When the British Empire produces goods for half the planet, those emissions are the responsibility of the British. However, when the Chinese produce goods for the British, those emissions are also the responsibility of the British . Do you see the pattern? |
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Post by montegriffo on Apr 7, 2024 11:56:27 GMT
China wouldn't produce so much if nobody was buying it. The pollution is the responsibility of the consumer. I understand the principle. What i'm highlighting is the use of a variable principle / standard. When the British Empire produces goods for half the planet, those emissions are the responsibility of the British. However, when the Chinese produce goods for the British, those emissions are also the responsibility of the British . Do you see the pattern? No, emissions are always the responsibility of the consumer. There's no passing the buck. If you bought it, it's yours. |
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Post by montegriffo on Apr 7, 2024 11:58:12 GMT
The polluter must pay.
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