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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2024 4:34:19 GMT
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It looks fair to me so 1 point for Labour successfully negotiating a deal to end long term strike actions
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Post by Zany on Aug 17, 2024 8:46:22 GMT
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It looks fair to me so 1 point for Labour successfully negotiating a deal to end long term strike actions Now the other unions are striking for the same deal. Sigh. Tidied up spacing for ease of reading everyone, nothing changed. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 17, 2024 9:59:28 GMT
The labour party paying off its clients
The most applicable model to use here is a criminal syndicate. The labour party has lots of 'cousins'
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Post by RedRum on Aug 17, 2024 10:03:44 GMT
People only ever seem to talk about workers 'demanding' huge pay deals or they will go on strike and not about the cost of those strikes on the national purse.
It has cost the country an estimated £6.6b to not settle the strikes and that is not to be sniffed at.
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Post by Orac on Aug 17, 2024 10:08:53 GMT
People only ever seem to talk about workers 'demanding' huge pay deals or they will go on strike and not about the cost of those strikes on the national purse. It has cost the country an estimated £6.6b to not settle the strikes and that is not to be sniffed at. Or to put in another way - If you are in a position to damage society by x amount, then you should be paid that amountLogic that leads to gang formation and an endless stream of blackmailing demands. The left don't understanding how incentives work |
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Post by Steve on Aug 17, 2024 10:26:49 GMT
The labour party paying off its clients The most applicable model to use here is a criminal syndicate. The labour party has lots of 'cousins' Bit OTT It's a clash of two effective monopolies, never a recipe for great fairness and in private industry would be illegal. We've been overpaying our train drivers and oversubsidising our commuters for decades to buy votes. Time that market forces had a greater play. This link will make you even angrier www.euronews.com/travel/2022/12/23/train-strikes-these-are-the-countries-that-pay-train-drivers-the-most-and-the-least-in-eur
'In 2021, the estimated average gross monthly earnings of train drivers ranged from €632 in Bulgaria to €5,542 in the UK. Among EU Member States, Denmark (€4,463) was the only country where train drivers earned more than €4,000. They were paid more than €3,000 in Ireland, Luxembourg, Germany and France. These countries were closely followed by the Netherlands (€2,947) and Finland (€2,939).' |
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Post by Zany on Aug 17, 2024 11:28:12 GMT
The labour party paying off its clients The most applicable model to use here is a criminal syndicate. The labour party has lots of 'cousins' Thank goodness you never over exaggerate Orac  |
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Post by Zany on Aug 17, 2024 11:30:06 GMT
People only ever seem to talk about workers 'demanding' huge pay deals or they will go on strike and not about the cost of those strikes on the national purse. It has cost the country an estimated £6.6b to not settle the strikes and that is not to be sniffed at. I say make strikes illegal and give em all 5 years in prison.  Seriously though is the answer to strikes is 'Give in because its cheaper' I spy an avalanche coming. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 17, 2024 11:31:30 GMT
People only ever seem to talk about workers 'demanding' huge pay deals or they will go on strike and not about the cost of those strikes on the national purse. It has cost the country an estimated £6.6b to not settle the strikes and that is not to be sniffed at. Or to put in another way - If you are in a position to damage society by x amount, then you should be paid that amountLogic that leads to gang formation and an endless stream of blackmailing demands. The left don't understanding how incentives work Agreed, a balance has to be maintained between worker rights and business rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 12:10:42 GMT
The train operating companies have been out of order, let their franchising agreements run out and run the thing directly like they did with LNER www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g186346-d15081118-Reviews-London_North_Eastern_Railway-York_North_Yorkshire_England.htmlIt doesn't have the best reviews, but it has better reviews than other TOCs who are rated even lower than they are Negotiate fairer deals with the unions and stop this ridiculous move to driverless trains, and huge reduction of staff (to the point safety is compromised) and et voila, the problem is largely solved. It really isn't rocket science and mostly the trade union demands have not been unfair, a 4.5% pay rise is just not unfair. The idea the railways should be abolished completely because they're supposedly outdated is absolutely diabolical and ridiculous. No country in the world is even thinking of doing that at this time. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 17, 2024 12:13:15 GMT
The train operating companies have been out of order, let their franchising agreements run out and run the thing directly like they did with LNER www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g186346-d15081118-Reviews-London_North_Eastern_Railway-York_North_Yorkshire_England.htmlIt doesn't have the best reviews, but it has better reviews than other TOCs who are rated even lower than they are Negotiate fairer deals with the unions and stop this ridiculous move to driverless trains, and huge reduction of staff (to the point safety is compromised) and et voila, the problem is largely solved. It really isn't rocket science and mostly the trade union demands have not been unfair, a 4.5% pay rise is just not unfair. The idea the railways should be abolished completely because they're supposedly outdated is absolutely diabolical and ridiculous. No country in the world is even thinking of doing that at this time. I was unaware they were wanting driverless trains, I had heard about Guardless trains. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 12:25:22 GMT
It's making trade unions extra nervous and even more angry about the future www.cityam.com/welcome-aboard-this-is-a-driverless-train-unions-begin-their-own-demise/The trade unions are very luddite-y, let's face it, they hate change. And Mick Lynch of the RMT is straight out of the 1970s trade union stories The thing is the trade unions are necessary to help workers, but they also go too far sometimes, society only works with all elements pushing and pulling and playing their part without one monopolizing everything |
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Post by Steve on Aug 17, 2024 12:40:40 GMT
It's making trade unions extra nervous and even more angry about the future www.cityam.com/welcome-aboard-this-is-a-driverless-train-unions-begin-their-own-demise/The trade unions are very luddite-y, let's face it, they hate change. And Mick Lynch of the RMT is straight out of the 1970s trade union stories The thing is the trade unions are necessary to help workers, but they also go too far sometimes, society only works with all elements pushing and pulling and playing their part without one monopolizing everything You're not going to get driverless trains on our complex, fast and very dense rail networks, that article is a triumph of idiocy by someone who probably can't even spell 'safety case' let alone understand one. The DLR that he quotes as an example runs treacle like slow on a very very simple route with huge inter train gaps. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 12:55:54 GMT
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Post by Zany on Aug 17, 2024 13:55:16 GMT
It's making trade unions extra nervous and even more angry about the future www.cityam.com/welcome-aboard-this-is-a-driverless-train-unions-begin-their-own-demise/The trade unions are very luddite-y, let's face it, they hate change. And Mick Lynch of the RMT is straight out of the 1970s trade union stories The thing is the trade unions are necessary to help workers, but they also go too far sometimes, society only works with all elements pushing and pulling and playing their part without one monopolizing everything Ah yes, the underground. I was thinking of main line. The unions love change, less hours, more pay, longer breaks. All are welcome. But anything effecting their power base is a big No! Trains with doors that lock automatically and wont let the train move if they are open are nowhere near as safe as a guard with a red and green flag. |
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