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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 9:41:36 GMT
I think ive told Borg the lavvie lid story as well monte. It's a cracker though isnt it? imagine sitting on a cesspit lid for centuries ? It's a great story. I'm completely convinced. Funniest thing is the Scots spending 700 years trying to get it back. we had to maintain the fable of the stones authenticity monte ! Seriously though if you read all the descriptions passed down through history of the stone of destiny , a black rock with Celtic hieroglyphics inscribed into it , the lavvie lid looks nothing like it. |
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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 9:49:59 GMT
The famous ogham alphabet scholar , Rab Mac Alistair , translated one of the ogham inscribed standing stones in north east scotland , which was a record of ancient neolithic times. In the neolithic language , the word for what was to become England , translates into modern English as " the land where stolen goods disappear" . So even in the neolithic period ,it appears thievery of Scotlands resources was the norm . here's your coat.  More like Scotland was full of dids, nicking stuff and selling it over the border.  most of our trade , if not all , bypassed the land where stolen good s end up , and was concentrated on France , the low countries Germany and much of the baltic states. You dont sell your vast array of goods with a third world country on your border zany ,you look to the richer countries like France for example to trade extensively with. nowadays , we are held captive like a captured audience , and forced to sell our whiskey , seafood and much else to your countries benefit. We really are extremely gracious and generous to the English exchequer aren't we zany? |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 25, 2024 9:51:38 GMT
There was a plan that involved moving a stone from the north of Scotland, all the way down to Salisbury. This is 6000 years ago Britain at the time was supposedly 'barely inhabited' (or am i wrong?) - my modelling of the situation would be that the people living in this area England wouldn't have known about the north of Scotland. never mind be drawing maps and plans to move rocks from there. Wales was a bit of stretch.. im no sure I agree here orac. The neolithic people who inhabited these islands at the time originated in what is now modern turkey , so if they could travel that distance , and have large trading links with Europe , why wouldn't they know the northern parts of these islands? Also, it was 4,500 years ago not 6,000. The population was small though. Somewhere around 250,000 for the whole British Isles. The boat technology was more than up to moving a stone down from Scotland. The sewn together plank boats of the time were 16 meters long, weighed about 5 tons and could carry up to 7 tons cargo. Trade routes were extensive. The burial tombs around Stonehenge contain grave goods from all over the British Isles and Europe. |
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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 10:02:53 GMT
im no sure I agree here orac. The neolithic people who inhabited these islands at the time originated in what is now modern turkey , so if they could travel that distance , and have large trading links with Europe , why wouldn't they know the northern parts of these islands? Also, it was 4,500 years ago not 6,000. The population was small though. Somewhere around 250,000 for the whole British Isles. The boat technology was more than up to moving a stone down from Scotland. The sewn together plank boats of the time were 16 meters long, weighed about 5 tons and could carry up to 7 tons cargo. Trade routes were extensive. The burial tombs around Stonehenge contain grave goods from all over the British Isles and Europe. I thought the neolithic people were supposed to have come across the Mediterranean to Iberia , then up into these islands.? we know sea shells for necklaces if I mind correct were extensively traded through much of central and Western Europe from what is now modern Greece.? in the later Bronze Age , the reason the Celts are supposed to have come to these islands , as well as much later the romans , was that tin mined in Cornwall was used to make bronze swords , Cornwall being one of the few areas of Europe where tin is found. I think trade routes were fairly extensive , and much underestimated by modern folk. I mean fuck sake I was being taught at school Christopher Columbus discovered America , when it was know fine well the vikings were there before him hundreds of years earlier , and Brendan the voyager in the fifth century is said to have sailed into the Atlantic to the western lands. perhaps America or greenland? In the Pictish period , the king of the orkneys regularly sailed his fleet down as far as southern England to raid and trade , perhaps suggesting these old routes were extensive and well known ? |
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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 10:05:44 GMT
im no sure I agree here orac. The neolithic people who inhabited these islands at the time originated in what is now modern turkey , so if they could travel that distance , and have large trading links with Europe , why wouldn't they know the northern parts of these islands? The burial tombs around Stonehenge contain grave goods from all over the British Isles and Europe. fuck sake monte dont mention Europe. Vinny was on the other forum suggesting the inter trade between what is now northern scotland and southern england was proof that Britannia even existed in the neolithic period. If he finds out neolithic man was simply part of the wider European network , with ancestral and cultural links with Europe , it might crush him., |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 25, 2024 10:15:02 GMT
Also, it was 4,500 years ago not 6,000. The population was small though. Somewhere around 250,000 for the whole British Isles. The boat technology was more than up to moving a stone down from Scotland. The sewn together plank boats of the time were 16 meters long, weighed about 5 tons and could carry up to 7 tons cargo. Trade routes were extensive. The burial tombs around Stonehenge contain grave goods from all over the British Isles and Europe. I thought the neolithic people were supposed to have come across the Mediterranean to Iberia , then up into these islands.? we know sea shells for necklaces if I mind correct were extensively traded through much of central and Western Europe from what is now modern Greece.? in the later Bronze Age , the reason the Celts are supposed to have come to these islands , as well as much later the romans , was that tin mined in Cornwall was used to make bronze swords , Cornwall being one of the few areas of Europe where tin is found. I think trade routes were fairly extensive , and much underestimated by modern folk. I mean fuck sake I was being taught at school Christopher Columbus discovered America , when it was know fine well the vikings were there before him hundreds of years earlier , and Brendan the voyager in the fifth century is said to have sailed into the Atlantic to the western lands. perhaps America or greenland? In the Pictish period , the king of the orkneys regularly sailed his fleet down as far as southern England to raid and trade , perhaps suggesting these old routes were extensive and well known ? Even before the Bronze Age there was much trade with Europe. Over 100 polished jade ceremonial axe heads have been found in Britain which originated in the Italian Alps. |
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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 10:33:14 GMT
I thought the neolithic people were supposed to have come across the Mediterranean to Iberia , then up into these islands.? we know sea shells for necklaces if I mind correct were extensively traded through much of central and Western Europe from what is now modern Greece.? in the later Bronze Age , the reason the Celts are supposed to have come to these islands , as well as much later the romans , was that tin mined in Cornwall was used to make bronze swords , Cornwall being one of the few areas of Europe where tin is found. I think trade routes were fairly extensive , and much underestimated by modern folk. I mean fuck sake I was being taught at school Christopher Columbus discovered America , when it was know fine well the vikings were there before him hundreds of years earlier , and Brendan the voyager in the fifth century is said to have sailed into the Atlantic to the western lands. perhaps America or greenland? In the Pictish period , the king of the orkneys regularly sailed his fleet down as far as southern England to raid and trade , perhaps suggesting these old routes were extensive and well known ? Even before the Bronze Age there was much trade with Europe. Over 100 polished jade ceremonial axe heads have been found in Britain which originated in the Italian Alps. without a doubt. The vast majority of us europeans descend from what we call the Indo europeans , a group of people who migrated from what is now the Pontic Caspian steppe of Central Asia and Eastern Europe. All modern languages , English French , Scottish irish German etc descend from this Indo European ancestor. I think the exceptions in Europe are the Finns Hungarians and the basques. clearly , travel and trade were extensive , even at this early stage of humanity . In Scottish myth and legend , handed down through the centuries from the old gaels , we Scots were said to have originated in Scythia , almost cognate with the Pontic caspian steppe. These legends of our origination long predate the formation of scotland as a kingdom , from when the gaels first came to these islands pre 1000 bc . so if we modern Scots can keep stories myths and legends stretching back three thousand years , I see no reason to not suggest the ancient Neolithics similarly kept myths and stories about their origination , and were well aware of lands across the European continent and extensively traded with those lands. Wasnt there an old manuscript from ancient ireland showing the irish were in contact with and trading medical knowledge with the Persians 1300 years ago? I think the knowledge and trade these people had thousands of years ago are vastly underestimated. |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 25, 2024 10:45:56 GMT
Even before the Bronze Age there was much trade with Europe. Over 100 polished jade ceremonial axe heads have been found in Britain which originated in the Italian Alps. without a doubt. The vast majority of us europeans descend from what we call the Indo europeans , a group of people who migrated from what is now the Pontic Caspian steppe of Central Asia and Eastern Europe. All modern languages , English French , Scottish irish German etc descend from this Indo European ancestor. I think the exceptions in Europe are the Finns Hungarians and the basques. clearly , travel and trade were extensive , even at this early stage of humanity . In Scottish myth and legend , handed down through the centuries from the old gaels , we Scots were said to have originated in Scythia , almost cognate with the Pontic caspian steppe. These legends of our origination long predate the formation of scotland as a kingdom , from when the gaels first came to these islands pre 1000 bc . so if we modern Scots can keep stories myths and legends stretching back three thousand years , I see no reason to not suggest the ancient Neolithics similarly kept myths and stories about their origination , and were well aware of lands across the European continent and extensively traded with those lands. Wasnt there an old manuscript from ancient ireland showing the irish were in contact with and trading medical knowledge with the Persians 1300 years ago? I think the knowledge and trade these people had thousands of years ago are vastly underestimated. Amongst the grave goods found at Sutton Hoo were small black beads resembling tar. They were disregarded until fairly recently when they were discovered to have come from Afghanistan. There were also silver vessels from Byzantium and a bronze bowl from the middle east. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 25, 2024 12:36:32 GMT
More like Scotland was full of dids, nicking stuff and selling it over the border. most of our trade , if not all , bypassed the land where stolen good s end up , and was concentrated on France , the low countries Germany and much of the baltic states. You dont sell your vast array of goods with a third world country on your border zany ,you look to the richer countries like France for example to trade extensively with. nowadays , we are held captive like a captured audience , and forced to sell our whiskey , seafood and much else to your countries benefit. We really are extremely gracious and generous to the English exchequer aren't we zany? I note your sudden leap forward in history to today, my joke referred to your post: Rab Mac Alistair , translated one of the ogham inscribed standing stones in north east scotland , which was a record of ancient neolithic times. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 25, 2024 12:41:00 GMT
When did Scotland get named Scotland?
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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 12:45:12 GMT
When did Scotland get named Scotland? "scotland" is an English language name , that has only been used by the majority of Scots from about the 16th century onwards when the language of scotland changed. The name for our country was "Alba" commonly thought to have come to use in the 9th century. |
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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 12:46:13 GMT
most of our trade , if not all , bypassed the land where stolen good s end up , and was concentrated on France , the low countries Germany and much of the baltic states. You dont sell your vast array of goods with a third world country on your border zany ,you look to the richer countries like France for example to trade extensively with. nowadays , we are held captive like a captured audience , and forced to sell our whiskey , seafood and much else to your countries benefit. We really are extremely gracious and generous to the English exchequer aren't we zany? I note your sudden leap forward in history to today, my joke referred to your post: Rab Mac Alistair , translated one of the ogham inscribed standing stones in north east scotland , which was a record of ancient neolithic times. whats the problem? |
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Post by Zany on Aug 25, 2024 12:50:42 GMT
When did Scotland get named Scotland? "scotland" is an English language name , that has only been used by the majority of Scots from about the 16th century onwards when the language of scotland changed. The name for our country was "Alba" commonly thought to have come to use in the 9th century. Thank you. I had heard the name Alba. Was 'Scotland foisted upon the Scottish? I thought Alba (Albion) referred to the entire Island of Britain in the 9th century? |
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Post by Zany on Aug 25, 2024 12:51:31 GMT
I note your sudden leap forward in history to today, my joke referred to your post: Rab Mac Alistair , translated one of the ogham inscribed standing stones in north east scotland , which was a record of ancient neolithic times. whats the problem? That your response has no relevance to my post. |
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Post by Amadan on Aug 25, 2024 12:58:17 GMT
"scotland" is an English language name , that has only been used by the majority of Scots from about the 16th century onwards when the language of scotland changed. The name for our country was "Alba" commonly thought to have come to use in the 9th century. Thank you. I had heard the name Alba. Was 'Scotland foisted upon the Scottish? I thought Alba (Albion) referred to the entire Island of Britain in the 9th century? dont understand your post. ? The name scotland came into use as the language changed from Scottish Gaelic to English. Not sure you could say it was foisted on anyone ? It was the Scottish elite who started using it as they changed language from Gaelic and French to Middle English , or what is now known as Scots . Not in the ninth century it didnt. Alba is the Goidelic Celtic name for this island originally , possibly around 1000 bc , and then as the language changed to brythonic Celtic , this island became known as prydain. The romans bastardised it to Britain. Alba , like many other place names , has meant different things down through the centuries. The whole island , the part of the island where the gaels ruled , to scotland north of the forth Clyde , to the whole of modern scotland. Albion is the latin version of the name , which came into use much later. Remember in latin , scotland was an old name for ireland , and the irish monks of the Catholic Church like marianus in the 11th century were known as Scots. names change and take on different meanings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianus_Scotus |
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