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Post by Zany on Jul 24, 2024 17:50:30 GMT
Almost all regressive policies by 'Blue' Labour talking of regressive policies . I see even suella braverman is calling for an end to the two child benefit cap , meanwhile labour the party of the poor and working class (dont laugh please) support it... Braverman calls for end to two-child benefit cap ‘in spirit of compassion’ Suella Braverman said the cap was pushing more children ‘into relative poverty’ and the Conservatives should be ‘proudly … the party of family’.
archive.is/OAa8CDo you actually believe her?
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Post by Zany on Jul 24, 2024 17:51:39 GMT
Well there we go, he didn't.
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Post by Zany on Jul 24, 2024 17:54:29 GMT
Let me think. Is Braverman calling for the cap to be removed out of her often displayed capacity for genuine human compassion or is it because it makes it uncomfortable for labour...what could it possibly be? Consequently I'm skeptical that "Even Braverman" is asking for it is of any significance at all is that a "lets ignore labours deplorable behaviour because the tories are bad and trying to make labour look poor " I hear? LOL! LOL! When the anti christ suella braverman can take the moral high ground over a benefits cap , then you know keir starmers red nasty party are in deep trouble. By christ is the honeymoon period, after the bread and circus of the euroes , now over for starmer . a rebellion over the kings speech Avon. let that sink in....labour are facing a rebellion before they have even begun governance. Incidentally I see Cooper has managed to deport 40 asylum seekers using the tories Rwanda flights, only this time to Vietnam im told ? lol!!! This is bliss watching these muppets struggle. The red tories are going to go the same way as the blue tories mark my words. Labour had a disastrous campaign that saw them lose their vote share , take less votes than Corbyn did in 2019 , on the lowest turn out for a uk election but fall into place because of the anti democratic system. Hell mend the scum. I think Suella Braverman has no credibility left either among the Tory or Labour Voters. I don't think Starmer need worry.
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Post by Zany on Jul 24, 2024 17:59:14 GMT
We are to live in a civlised society and the nuclear family these days are 2 children . so if you only want people to have two children , why are you importing hordes of migrants into the uk to continue to grow the population? For a developed country to maintain , or increase its population , you need more than two children per native woman. No one wants to limit anyone to two children. They just want the parents to pay for them. If you can't afford three children don't have three children. If you can afford 10 kids please feel free.
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Post by Steve on Jul 24, 2024 18:26:50 GMT
Labour facing moment of truth over tax pledges, economists warn Experts say 5.5% pay increase for public sector not ‘consistent’ with spending plans that rule out tax rises Labour is fast approaching a moment of truth over its election pledges on tax and spending, experts have warned, after Rachel Reeves indicated the government could agree above-inflation pay rises for public sector staff. The chancellor promised a full statement on pay board recommendations that teachers and NHS workers should receive 5.5% pay awards, ahead of an autumn budget that is set to be one of the most difficult economic balancing acts in years. While Reeves argued that denying such pay rises would bring its own costs, notably in likely strike action and a hit to staff recruitment and retention, economists warned that agreeing them would cost billions of pounds that is not currently on the balance sheet. Government spending plans, following an election campaign in which Reeves and Keir Starmer repeatedly ruled out rises to many taxes, “aren’t consistent with pay rises in the region of 5.5% to 6%,” said Ben Zaranko, senior research economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/22/labour-facing-moment-of-truth-over-tax-pledges-economists-warn#:~:text=Labour%20is%20fast%20approaching%20a,rises%20for%20public%20sector%20staff. My guess is Rachel will offer something better than the Tories 4% with a promise of more as the economy picks up with Labours help. My hope is staff will understand the situation and work with her, but if not I think the country will respect the open approach and even handedness and the unions appear out of step. That said the country is in a shit mess and I can only see higher taxes getting it fixed. Last poll I saw said 66% of voters would be happy to pay more tax for a better health service and education. (Let alone roads you can drive on. IMHO she'll pay the full recommended amount of 5.5%. It's the only honest thing to do and probably still not enough to solve the staffing problem
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Post by patman post on Jul 24, 2024 20:36:09 GMT
Let me think. Is Braverman calling for the cap to be removed out of her often displayed capacity for genuine human compassion or is it because it makes it uncomfortable for labour...what could it possibly be? Consequently I'm skeptical that "Even Braverman" is asking for it is of any significance at all is that a "lets ignore labours deplorable behaviour because the tories are bad and trying to make labour look poor " I hear? LOL! LOL! When the anti christ suella braverman can take the moral high ground over a benefits cap , then you know keir starmers red nasty party are in deep trouble. By christ is the honeymoon period, after the bread and circus of the euroes , now over for starmer . a rebellion over the kings speech Avon. let that sink in....labour are facing a rebellion before they have even begun governance. Incidentally I see Cooper has managed to deport 40 asylum seekers using the tories Rwanda flights, only this time to Vietnam im told ? lol!!! This is bliss watching these muppets struggle. The red tories are going to go the same way as the blue tories mark my words. Labour had a disastrous campaign that saw them lose their vote share , take less votes than Corbyn did in 2019 , on the lowest turn out for a uk election but fall into place because of the anti democratic system. Hell mend the scum. Attlee faced a 40 Labour MP vote against the King’s Speech, but still managed to bring in the NHS, and set the country on the road to recovery after WWII — something the then ga-ga Churchill led government, and others, didn’t manage to derail…
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Post by totheleft on Jul 24, 2024 20:36:42 GMT
Now you're lying about what I actually said and pretending you aren't defending her benefit policies, when you - and others here - clearly are, how outrageous is that? Now please explain how totheleft's post is not defending the 2 child cap? You call it defending the torys i call it depending commonsense . Even a clock that stop working can be right twice a day
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Post by Steve on Jul 24, 2024 21:58:35 GMT
is that a "lets ignore labours deplorable behaviour because the tories are bad and trying to make labour look poor " I hear? LOL! LOL! When the anti christ suella braverman can take the moral high ground over a benefits cap , then you know keir starmers red nasty party are in deep trouble. By christ is the honeymoon period, after the bread and circus of the euroes , now over for starmer . a rebellion over the kings speech Avon. let that sink in....labour are facing a rebellion before they have even begun governance. Incidentally I see Cooper has managed to deport 40 asylum seekers using the tories Rwanda flights, only this time to Vietnam im told ? lol!!! This is bliss watching these muppets struggle. The red tories are going to go the same way as the blue tories mark my words. Labour had a disastrous campaign that saw them lose their vote share , take less votes than Corbyn did in 2019 , on the lowest turn out for a uk election but fall into place because of the anti democratic system. Hell mend the scum. Attlee faced a 40 Labour MP vote against the King’s Speech, but still managed to bring in the NHS, and set the country on the road to recovery after WWII — something the then ga-ga Churchill led government, and others, didn’t manage to derail… Attlee was a great politician who did as much as Churchill to win WW2 and then to change the UK for the better after it. Possibly the greatest Labour Prime Minister but his economic strategy was poor. We got the most Marshall plan money with only a small fraction to be repaid. That could have rebuilt a modernised competitive industrial base and instead pissed it up the wall in a foolish plan that the commonwealth would buy and buy British goods made using pre war methods. It didn't work and Europe and then the Far East rebuilt far smarter.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 25, 2024 1:08:22 GMT
Now you're lying about what I actually said and pretending you aren't defending her benefit policies, when you - and others here - clearly are, how outrageous is that? You need to have a lie down and chill out. These offensive accusations you insist on making are more appropriate to www.lets-go-slagging-off.comWhereas yours are perfectly acceptable
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 25, 2024 1:09:50 GMT
Now you're lying about what I actually said and pretending you aren't defending her benefit policies, when you - and others here - clearly are, how outrageous is that? Now please explain how totheleft's post is not defending the 2 child cap? You call it defending the torys i call it depending commonsense . Even a clock that stop working can be right twice a day "Defending commonsense" Yes, that's exactly like the line out of the right-wing media - the Tories even had a minister for Common Sense - Esther McVey
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 25, 2024 1:11:12 GMT
is that a "lets ignore labours deplorable behaviour because the tories are bad and trying to make labour look poor " I hear? LOL! LOL! When the anti christ suella braverman can take the moral high ground over a benefits cap , then you know keir starmers red nasty party are in deep trouble. By christ is the honeymoon period, after the bread and circus of the euroes , now over for starmer . a rebellion over the kings speech Avon. let that sink in....labour are facing a rebellion before they have even begun governance. Incidentally I see Cooper has managed to deport 40 asylum seekers using the tories Rwanda flights, only this time to Vietnam im told ? lol!!! This is bliss watching these muppets struggle. The red tories are going to go the same way as the blue tories mark my words. Labour had a disastrous campaign that saw them lose their vote share , take less votes than Corbyn did in 2019 , on the lowest turn out for a uk election but fall into place because of the anti democratic system. Hell mend the scum. I think Suella Braverman has no credibility left either among the Tory or Labour Voters. I don't think Starmer need worry. When Labour ape her policies - what does that say about Labour? As Avon explained, that is a simplistic way of looking at it
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 25, 2024 5:53:56 GMT
Scottish Labour are lackeys for Starmer.. LinkWonder how long it will be before Lab lose their majority in Scotland again? Should be fun watching Labourites defending this hilarious joke of a Lab govt
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Post by Zany on Jul 25, 2024 6:43:22 GMT
Sit back and enjoy, its going to be a very long show
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Post by Steve on Jul 25, 2024 9:04:16 GMT
You need to have a lie down and chill out. These offensive accusations you insist on making are more appropriate to www.lets-go-slagging-off.comWhereas yours are perfectly acceptable Those ones you imagine out of thin air?
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