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Post by montegriffo on Jul 15, 2024 18:26:03 GMT
No it's not Like it or not Trump has the support of millions of Americans and many of those like to go to his rallies. To suppose that makes them fair game to be shot is to support terrorism I never said they were fair game. I'm just not going along with this ''poor innocents'' BS.
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Post by Zany on Jul 15, 2024 18:37:34 GMT
Listen Borgro. This forum is never going to be allowed to sink to the level of Tincs. l will delete crap on here that is designed to trigger people. For two reasons. 1, because this forum doesn't want constant jabs at the poster instead of the subject. 2, any potential new members here don't want to see nothing but petty infighting, it puts them off. Please try and understand that is what the people here want, you are not someone here to save them from the mods. I have already explained this. Taking the mickey out of anything outside the forum members has to be allowed or we stop all comedy. However once some people on that forum migrated here that changed things and we agreed to delete the thread. Its not perfect but its the best I could do. Not for me. The difference is the migrants are innocent and haven't tried to stir up hatred. Well that’s your opinion but facts and events tell a different story,people have arrived here who despise what our society stands for and in some cases are bent on jihad which contradicts any claim of innocence. The security services have said they are monitoring many such people but are finding it difficult because of the numbers and that they disappear in to the millions that already inhabit this country so unless you believe them right wing fascists it rather disputes your claim of innocence and that’s my opinion. Nobody mocked the innocent victims. I didn’t say they did and you are entirely missing the point I’m trying to make. Finally and these are just some observations the owners of both forums (and I make no judgement here on either or how they operate) have gone to the trouble of heading up a forum they are subject to others who think they know better on how they should be run but if things go awry it’s they who take the fall (it has happened I’ve seen it) which prompts the question if you think it’s easy go set up one and find out. Also as a mod you may well find yourself in the position where you please no one sadly goes with the job. Finally I come on forums to express my opinions try to be as polite as I can,sometimes use humour and in my mid seventies aren’t bothered if someone dislikes what I post because I view my time as limited it is just my style and don’t consider myself better than any other for it. Anyway if you choose to bin this post fine I won’t take a contract out on you (that’s the humour bit) No need to bin it Wapentake. I'm not above personal criticism as I'm not perfect. And your humour is brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 20:07:49 GMT
I had nothing to do with that thread being deleted. I'd rather it hadn't been. Deleting and locking threads is Tintin's shitty practise. Listen Borgro. This forum is never going to be allowed to sink to the level of Tincs. l will delete crap on here that is designed to trigger people. For two reasons. 1, because this forum doesn't want constant jabs at the poster instead of the subject. 2, any potential new members here don't want to see nothing but petty infighting, it puts them off. Please try and understand that is what the people here want, you are not someone here to save them from the mods. That was Monte's post, have we swapped names now somehow?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 20:08:41 GMT
The moderation here is imperfect but I respect Orac's dedication to free speech, even if I find his personal opinions completely awful.
The moderation here is still better than many other forums, despite my occasional complaints about it, so I'm not sure why you're conflating my opinion with Monte's
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Post by Zany on Jul 15, 2024 20:36:17 GMT
Listen Borgro. This forum is never going to be allowed to sink to the level of Tincs. l will delete crap on here that is designed to trigger people. For two reasons. 1, because this forum doesn't want constant jabs at the poster instead of the subject. 2, any potential new members here don't want to see nothing but petty infighting, it puts them off. Please try and understand that is what the people here want, you are not someone here to save them from the mods. That was Monte's post, have we swapped names now somehow? No. I was adding to Monte's post. You keep hitting out at the mods, but we all speak regularly (all the original members) via PM and they all agree with my methods and want this forum not to go the way of the others with their "free speech" which came to mean gangs of trolls taking down anyone they didn't like with storms of petty abuse. I love your input here, but you must learn to leave out the personal stuff, its not how this forum works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 20:41:44 GMT
That was Monte's post, have we swapped names now somehow? No. I was adding to Monte's post. You keep hitting out at the mods, but we all speak regularly (all the original members) via PM and they all agree with my methods and want this forum not to go the way of the others with their "free speech" which came to mean gangs of trolls taking down anyone they didn't like with storms of petty abuse. I love your input here, but you must learn to leave out the personal stuff, its not how this forum works. Bro, did you see the thread Saint just created? ukopenpolitical.freeforums.net/thread/253/And Monte just openly said he would rather that thread not have been deleted. Is he not a moderator? Is that agreeing with your methods? I like your methods, my point is that they are not being followed by others That is a verifiable fact. If you want me removed from the forum, you have my blessing to do so. I'm simply pointing out the truth to you
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 15, 2024 20:47:53 GMT
No. I was adding to Monte's post. You keep hitting out at the mods, but we all speak regularly (all the original members) via PM and they all agree with my methods and want this forum not to go the way of the others with their "free speech" which came to mean gangs of trolls taking down anyone they didn't like with storms of petty abuse. I love your input here, but you must learn to leave out the personal stuff, its not how this forum works. Bro, did you see the thread Saint just created? ukopenpolitical.freeforums.net/thread/253/And Monte just openly said he would rather that thread not have been deleted. Is he not a moderator? Is that agreeing with your methods? I like your methods, my point is that they are not being followed by others That is a verifiable fact. If you want me removed from the forum, you have my blessing to do so. I'm simply pointing out the truth to you No I'm not a mod'. Zany is our sole mod'. I'm just here to advise him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 20:51:51 GMT
Ok, well Orac is a moderator.
Orac prefers freedom of speech and doesn't like to delete things, I wouldn't call that agreeing with Zany's methods either.
For my part, I think you either carefully moderate a forum, in which case, best to close it off and make it invite-only and a circle of friends
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You have free speech, allow guests to post and allow anything to be posted
Most forums die because the rules are ambiguous and no one knows what's what and the moderators fight with each other over what's what
I said all this in that thread which was deleted before. Thought it was worth restating..
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Post by vinny on Jul 15, 2024 20:56:04 GMT
Being an idiot isn't a crime. Supporting Trump isn't a crime.
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Post by Zany on Jul 15, 2024 21:09:25 GMT
No. I was adding to Monte's post. You keep hitting out at the mods, but we all speak regularly (all the original members) via PM and they all agree with my methods and want this forum not to go the way of the others with their "free speech" which came to mean gangs of trolls taking down anyone they didn't like with storms of petty abuse. I love your input here, but you must learn to leave out the personal stuff, its not how this forum works. Bro, did you see the thread Saint just created? ukopenpolitical.freeforums.net/thread/253/And Monte just openly said he would rather that thread not have been deleted. Is he not a moderator? Is that agreeing with your methods? I like your methods, my point is that they are not being followed by others That is a verifiable fact. If you want me removed from the forum, you have my blessing to do so. I'm simply pointing out the truth to you Yes I did. Dan and I go back a long way and I have enjoyed many intelligent conversations with him. But I am also aware he was a signed up member of Storm Front before it got closed down. A genuine Nazi if you will. But similar to Orac. I have very different views but enjoy testing his ideas. No Monte is not a mod on here. He's an advisor. I am the only Mod apart from Orac who owns the site. As for reporting. stuff I might miss. My preferred method is a quiet PM, this allows me to delete small parts of posts without destroying threads and often goes unnoticed as much nasty comment is of the moment and later forgotten. Please feel free to pm me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 21:09:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 21:13:32 GMT
Bro, did you see the thread Saint just created? ukopenpolitical.freeforums.net/thread/253/And Monte just openly said he would rather that thread not have been deleted. Is he not a moderator? Is that agreeing with your methods? I like your methods, my point is that they are not being followed by others That is a verifiable fact. If you want me removed from the forum, you have my blessing to do so. I'm simply pointing out the truth to you Yes I did. Dan and I go back a long way and I have enjoyed many intelligent conversations with him. But I am also aware he was a signed up member of Storm Front before it got closed down. A genuine Nazi if you will. But similar to Orac. I have very different views but enjoy testing his ideas. No Monte is not a mod on here. He's an advisor. I am the only Mod apart from Orac who owns the site. As for reporting. stuff I might miss. My preferred method is a quiet PM, this allows me to delete small parts of posts without destroying threads and often goes unnoticed as much nasty comment is of the moment and later forgotten. Please feel free to pm me. Fair enough I'm just saying Orac has a different philosophy on moderation to you, that's a fair and accurate comment I believe
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Post by Zany on Jul 15, 2024 21:13:36 GMT
Ok, well Orac is a moderator. Orac prefers freedom of speech and doesn't like to delete things, I wouldn't call that agreeing with Zany's methods either. For my part, I think you either carefully moderate a forum, in which case, best to close it off and make it invite-only and a circle of friends OR You have free speech, allow guests to post and allow anything to be posted Most forums die because the rules are ambiguous and no one knows what's what and the moderators fight with each other over what's what I said all this in that thread which was deleted before. Thought it was worth restating.. Stop it. Orac and I are just fine, we really get each other. If you don't like it here go, but I am determined not to let this one follow all the others.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 15, 2024 21:13:48 GMT
Being an idiot isn't a crime. Supporting Trump isn't a crime. It often is. Over a thousand Trump supporters found guilty of serious offences on Jan 6th. Many of Trump's political appointees and lawyers struck off or serving prison sentences.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 21:15:29 GMT
Ok, well Orac is a moderator. Orac prefers freedom of speech and doesn't like to delete things, I wouldn't call that agreeing with Zany's methods either. For my part, I think you either carefully moderate a forum, in which case, best to close it off and make it invite-only and a circle of friends OR You have free speech, allow guests to post and allow anything to be posted Most forums die because the rules are ambiguous and no one knows what's what and the moderators fight with each other over what's what I said all this in that thread which was deleted before. Thought it was worth restating.. Stop it. Orac and I are just fine, we really get each other. If you don't like it here go, but I am determined not to let this one follow all the others. Where did I say you didn't get each other? I clearly recall Orac saying he's in favour of freedom of speech Like I said, if you want to remove me for making the above relatively innocuous comments saying that people have different philosophies on moderation here, fine, but I'm just pointing out a known fact
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