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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 13:13:56 GMT
The guy has absolutely no business being speaker.
This makes a complete farce of parliament, what a fricking joke!
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Post by dappy on Jul 10, 2024 13:33:51 GMT
You may need to explain that a little.
Sounds like all sides were happy.
Honestly with majority where it is and hopefully return to more grown up politics, can’t imagine it will be a very controversial job this parliament.
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2024 14:02:50 GMT
The guy has absolutely no business being speaker. This makes a complete farce of parliament, what a fricking joke! We have the current Tory party and Reform for that — why would they give the job, unopposed, to a non-voting individual...?
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 14:08:06 GMT
You may need to explain that a little. Sounds like all sides were happy. Honestly with majority where it is and hopefully return to more grown up politics, can’t imagine it will be a very controversial job this parliament. Maybe you didn't see James O'Brien excoriating him for his disgusting treatment of Diane Abbott among others? Nevermind, we're all childish if we don't accept the status quo Time for a return to grown up politics to keep the children out - which means discriminating against MPs
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 14:09:06 GMT
The guy has absolutely no business being speaker. This makes a complete farce of parliament, what a fricking joke! We have the current Tory party and Reform for that — why would they give the job, unopposed, to a non-voting individual...? I'd have assumed you'd be against him too given his treatment of your own MP, it's interesting you think this is ok though
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 14:15:37 GMT
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2024 14:24:56 GMT
We have the current Tory party and Reform for that — why would they give the job, unopposed, to a non-voting individual...? I'd have assumed you'd be against him too given his treatment of your own MP, it's interesting you think this is ok though I have no say, just an occasional opinion about the speaker. I'm content that Abbott saw no reason to object to Lindsay Hoyle's re-election.
Any falling out appears to have been resolved, with Sir Lindsay paying tribute to Diane as she became 'Mother of the House', saying: “You’ve served for 37 years and broken many glass ceilings along the way.”...
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 14:33:03 GMT
So she went along with it, does that make it right? He completely ignored her when they were discussing racist attacks directed at her by that Frank Hester. That's just morally wrong. And then the early day motion scandal. WikiHow often does a speaker unite Plaid Cymru, Tories, SNP and others in fury against them? He also didn't sufficiently challenge the breaking of rules by Tory MPs when they were the ruling party, he let them get away with murder What makes you think he'll be any better at holding Labour to account? I don't care if he wasn't opposed by MPs, the HoC itself is has so much corruption these days anyway. They probably think he'll suit their style perfectly..
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Post by dappy on Jul 10, 2024 14:44:04 GMT
You are entitled to your opinion.
So are the 650 MPs who regardless of party appear to be happy for him to continue in the role.
Whose opinion to regard more ……
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 17:21:24 GMT
I absolutely trust the opinions of those who swindle their expenses very regularly, where cocaine is regularly snorted in the toilets etc
And I trust your opinion of them too
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Post by Steve on Jul 10, 2024 18:02:02 GMT
So she went along with it, does that make it right? He completely ignored her when they were discussing racist attacks directed at her by that Frank Hester. That's just morally wrong. And then the early day motion scandal. . . That would be the utterly disgraced and now ex MP William Wragg who had to resign from the Tory party then wouldn't it. FWIW Hoyle not calling an independent MP to speak in a debate was questionable but hardly a sin.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 18:04:53 GMT
The way he treated Diane Abbott was appalling.
And just because William Wragg tabled it, doesn't make it wrong. A lot of later disgraced MPs tabled motions that were passed by consensus in the HoC. He was a messenger for popular feeling and that would be shooting the messenger
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Post by Steve on Jul 10, 2024 18:23:21 GMT
Maybe you should look on Amazon to see if they sell 'senses of proportion'.
Hoyle arguably made a small mistake on a judgement call, IIRC he admitted such but to suppose such non breach of the rules is a sacking offence is ridiculous
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 18:33:11 GMT
It's not just one thing, it's those two (major) things plus the fact he failed routinely to hold the Tories to account. I lost count of how much the Tories got away with
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Post by Steve on Jul 10, 2024 18:35:46 GMT
As I've explained to you before, he couldn't hold the Tories to account as had he 'named' say Boris for any one of his numerous breaking of house rules then the Tories with that majority would have forced a division and not supported the default suspension from the house.
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