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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 16:32:24 GMT
Deporting might sound good to the public, but is it as bad as imprisonment. We all regularly here how bad life in prison is, especially for sex offenders. I say let him rot in jail. Labour have plans to release prisoners early because the prisons are full. What we are going to end up with is these people not being deported or remaining in prison. However, this is just going to be one factor in the coming chaos Agreed, this is worrying left-wing lunacy IMHO |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 16:40:41 GMT
Him rotting in prison costs the UK a lot of money, if he's sent back to Pakistan (ideally they should imprison him there) then that would be better, of course he might come back to the UK if he's allowed to roam free in Pakistan. There are no good solutions  |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 17:23:51 GMT
Labour have plans to release prisoners early because the prisons are full. What we are going to end up with is these people not being deported or remaining in prison. However, this is just going to be one factor in the coming chaos Agreed, this is worrying left-wing lunacy IMHO The left-wing are not a hive mind, they all think separately I assume you are aware of why the new government are talking of releasing prisoners early? Or maybe you're not or you wouldn't be calling it left-wing lunacy, but right wing incompetence. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 17:27:07 GMT
Him rotting in prison costs the UK a lot of money, if he's sent back to Pakistan (ideally they should imprison him there) then that would be better, of course he might come back to the UK if he's allowed to roam free in Pakistan. There are no good solutions There are rarely good solutions for heinous crimes. Sadly the damage is irreparable. All we can do is catch perpetrators and make punishment sufficient to discourage others. If there was a way to read minds so we could guarantee guilt the death sentence would be a good idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 17:36:31 GMT
Agreed, this is worrying left-wing lunacy IMHO The left-wing are not a hive mind, they all think separately I assume you are aware of why the new government are talking of releasing prisoners early? Or maybe you're not or you wouldn't be calling it left-wing lunacy, but right wing incompetence. IIRC they said prisons were over full, so the answer presumably would be to requisition more land and build more prisons, or at least temp holding places rather than just releasing dangerous crims early, but Labour aren't quite that smart Blaming everything on right-wing incompetence when prison overcrowding was a significant issue under New Labour - who did not fix the issue and passed it on to the Tories - would seem fairly typical for those enamoured by this Lab admin |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 17:37:15 GMT
Him rotting in prison costs the UK a lot of money, if he's sent back to Pakistan (ideally they should imprison him there) then that would be better, of course he might come back to the UK if he's allowed to roam free in Pakistan. There are no good solutions There are rarely good solutions for heinous crimes. Sadly the damage is irreparable. All we can do is catch perpetrators and make punishment sufficient to discourage others. If there was a way to read minds so we could guarantee guilt the death sentence would be a good idea. Oh so you want minority report style social credit system stuff instead - very typical left wing thinking. I would be against mind reading as a way of guaranteeing guilt, I prefer evidence |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 17:45:25 GMT
The left-wing are not a hive mind, they all think separately I assume you are aware of why the new government are talking of releasing prisoners early? Or maybe you're not or you wouldn't be calling it left-wing lunacy, but right wing incompetence. IIRC they said prisons were over full, so the answer presumably would be to requisition more land and build more prisons, or at least temp holding places rather than just releasing dangerous crims early, but Labour aren't quite that smart Seriously, you think it can be done that quickly? And they aren't releasing the dangerous crims Seriously, the Tories were in power 14 years, how long did they need? And they made it worse in their 14 years. How can you bring yourself to defend this stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 17:59:12 GMT
Where did I defend anything please - Or are false accusations your only way of arguing?
Did I state that the Tories weren't at fault themselves?
You stated only the Tories were at fault, because that's what you do, you blame absolutely everything ever on the Tories.
Are you even capable of admitting New Labour got anything whatsoever wrong? Or are you going to defend their record on prisons even though it's shambolic?
I wonder if you can admit that prisons were heavily overcrowded under New Labour too and in shambolic condition...?
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 18:08:49 GMT
Where did I defend anything please - Or are false accusations your only way of arguing? By trying to shift the blame for this shocking failure onto the previous labour government. You stated only the Tories were at fault, because that's what you do, you blame absolutely everything ever on the Tories. I stated it was the Tories who created this issue because it was the Tories who created this issue. They were in power 14 years, you want to blame this Labour government who came into power a week ago. Happy to do so. They were about 6,000 spaces available in 2008, this was considered dangerously tight. There are 700 spaces available today. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 13, 2024 18:09:17 GMT
Friends here now , speak later.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 22:18:02 GMT
Please try to fix your quoting, can't read constant posts when they're in the wrong quote box, they are impossible to read. I know the software is rubbish but I seem to manage to avoid doing that.
I've never once defended anything the Tories have done
My record on this forum, Pol-Tics.com as well as UK Debate for years with Steve will confirm I am 100% anti-Tory and have been often accused of being a lefty pol pot lover (etc) who hates tories beyond all reason, so go and pull the other one
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 7:40:10 GMT
Please try to fix your quoting, can't read constant posts when they're in the wrong quote box, they are impossible to read. I know the software is rubbish but I seem to manage to avoid doing that. I've never once defended anything the Tories have done My record on this forum, Pol-Tics.com as well as UK Debate for years with Steve will confirm I am 100% anti-Tory and have been often accused of being a lefty pol pot lover (etc) who hates tories beyond all reason, so go and pull the other one I'm happy to try, but when there are multiple different points to address I don't see how I can do that without separating them out and quoting under each one. I have edited my last post, is it any better? There are limits on what you can do on here. Your record may well be anti Tory, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't stoop to ignoring that in order to find something bad to say about Starmer. It is clearly the Tories fault that there are not enough prison places, they were in power for 14 years which was plenty of time to fix that issue, only it got worse. Starmer cannot fix that in a week. Yet you ignored that to try and put some sort of blame on him. You may be a Corbyn supporter but that doesn't give you the right to behave unfairly because you didn't get your man. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 15:04:26 GMT
Behave unfairly?
I'm not a Corbyn supporter anymore, he praised Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA and has come out with plenty of anti-semitic trash.
I'm just not a fan of Starmer's Tory MKIII Labour either, is that clear?
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 21:13:55 GMT
Behave unfairly? I'm not a Corbyn supporter anymore, he praised Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA and has come out with plenty of anti-semitic trash. I'm just not a fan of Starmer's Tory MKIII Labour either, is that clear? Changes nothing. You criticised Starmer for something he has no control over and when that was pointed out to you, you blamed Labour under Blair, missing out 14 years of Tories. End of, |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 0:09:16 GMT
Behave unfairly? I'm not a Corbyn supporter anymore, he praised Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA and has come out with plenty of anti-semitic trash. I'm just not a fan of Starmer's Tory MKIII Labour either, is that clear? Changes nothing. You criticised Starmer for something he has no control over and when that was pointed out to you, you blamed Labour under Blair, missing out 14 years of Tories. End of, Proof please that I missed out 14 years of Tories? I'm pointing out you missed out all the years under New Labour. Where did I say the Tories were not culpable during their time in power? Because you are blinkered beyond belief and blame everything on the Tories, you can't even own up and admit that New Labour messed up. All you ever do is defend what Blair did etc etc and now the same with Starmer |
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