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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 6:51:32 GMT
Re means testing PIP. On balance I do not regard this as a good idea. As I once might have. I doubt whether there are many working age rich disabled people. The bureaucracy involved in denying a few rich disabled people PIP would likely cost more than it saves. And disabled people who are not rich but nevertheless on fairly good incomes will often have many additional work related costs associated with their condition and the cost of living crisis bites quite high up into income levels, in large part due to soaring housing costs as well as food and energy costs.
One of my best friends is a rich lady who works high up in the pharmaceutical industry, whose husband until he retired recently worked high up in scientific research. He due to a work accident when younger is severely disabled, having no use of his legs and limited use of his arms, and gets about in a wheelchair and a specially adapted car. Financially he probably didn't need PIP but he probably wouldn't have worked without it, and in work paid more in tax than he claimed in PIP so it would have been counter-productive to deny it to him.
There is something to be said for having a benefit that is blind to wealth or income levels and has no negative impact upon other sources of income, and which is based solely upon your medical circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 11:20:46 GMT
borgro end the disgusting regime at the DWP that denies terminally ill people benefits What benefits are you talking about? Has far has i know they get instant access to pip. As someone with a progressive medical condition I have applied for PIP but was turned down on the grounds that my ability to function is not too seriously impaired as yet. Which is fair enough. I have a booklet that tells me how the points are calculated and though advised to apply by the DWP I always knew that I was not yet ill enough. There is however no such thing as an immediate payout. It takes typically many weeks before a decision is made. If you do qualify, the criteria is entirely based upon your level of incapacity and takes zero account of your wealth or earnings. It is non means tested so if you are entitled it has zero effect upon any other benefits you might receive but is in addition to them. Likewise it is awarded to people who have serious conditions even if they are very well off. A rich person with no legs will still get it. There is a question to be had as to whether or not such benefits should be means tested. But it is difficult in practice because people lower down the income scale might not be able to afford to work if they are disabled and such support is withdrawn. Very sorry to hear you've been denied PIP, that's very outrageous |
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 11:22:58 GMT
But he said it was 'fair enough'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 11:24:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 11:26:00 GMT
But he said it was 'fair enough' Yes, to the fact he was asking about terminally ill dying before getting benefits, a different question. He wasn't saying it was fair enough he was denied PIP. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 12:00:04 GMT
But he said it was 'fair enough' Yes, to the fact he was asking about terminally ill dying before getting benefits, a different question. He wasn't saying it was fair enough he was denied PIP. You should read it again |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 12:12:54 GMT
Ok, just let him clarify what he meant
Srb, what did you mean when you said 'Fair enough'?
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Post by totheleft on Jul 8, 2024 13:16:48 GMT
Right they had there benefits taken of them im talking about a different thing . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 13:28:56 GMT
What are you talking about? Fast track benefits for the terminally ill?
If so, that's what I'm talking about and many were denied that.
If it's a different thing, then what is it? I googled 'instant payout terminally ill uk' and found nothing after going through several pages, other than life insurance companies
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Post by totheleft on Jul 8, 2024 13:33:49 GMT
What are you talking about? Fast track benefits for the terminally ill? If so, that's what I'm talking about and many were denied that. If it's a different thing, then what is it? I googled 'instant payout terminally ill uk' and found nothing after going through several pages, other than life insurance companies If you are terminally ill, you can apply for PIP using a fast-track process called special rules. You can apply if your doctor thinks you may be reasonably expected to live for less than 12 months. You should get your first payment within 2 weeks of applying. www.macmillan.org.uk › p... Personal Independence Payment (PIP) | Macmillan Cancer Support |
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Post by Zany on Jul 8, 2024 14:33:16 GMT
TBH this is not about denying terminally ill people benefits, its about denying ILL people benefits, of which some are terminally ill and make a better story. What its really about is the disgusting scheme to cut benefits to people by playing stupid games with the applications and punishing people for making even simple mistakes on forms. Even Ian Duncan smith resigned in 2016 after the latest remake and budget cuts. Bottom line is though that we need to pay more tax if we really want the country we talk about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 15:19:44 GMT
What are you talking about? Fast track benefits for the terminally ill? If so, that's what I'm talking about and many were denied that. If it's a different thing, then what is it? I googled 'instant payout terminally ill uk' and found nothing after going through several pages, other than life insurance companies If you are terminally ill, you can apply for PIP using a fast-track process called special rules. You can apply if your doctor thinks you may be reasonably expected to live for less than 12 months. You should get your first payment within 2 weeks of applying. www.macmillan.org.uk › p... Personal Independence Payment (PIP) | Macmillan Cancer Support And if you read any of my many links, you would see many people were denied that I completely agree with all this |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 17:54:50 GMT
As someone with a progressive medical condition I have applied for PIP but was turned down on the grounds that my ability to function is not too seriously impaired as yet. Which is fair enough. I have a booklet that tells me how the points are calculated and though advised to apply by the DWP I always knew that I was not yet ill enough. There is however no such thing as an immediate payout. It takes typically many weeks before a decision is made. If you do qualify, the criteria is entirely based upon your level of incapacity and takes zero account of your wealth or earnings. It is non means tested so if you are entitled it has zero effect upon any other benefits you might receive but is in addition to them. Likewise it is awarded to people who have serious conditions even if they are very well off. A rich person with no legs will still get it. There is a question to be had as to whether or not such benefits should be means tested. But it is difficult in practice because people lower down the income scale might not be able to afford to work if they are disabled and such support is withdrawn. Very sorry to hear you've been denied PIP, that's very outrageous To be fair my condition is not yet severe enough to warrant it. At some point it is likely to become so, but I am happy being too well to merit it. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 18:01:20 GMT
And long may you stay such
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 18:35:52 GMT
Ok, just let him clarify what he meant Srb, what did you mean when you said 'Fair enough'? The fair enough comment was intended as a response to Totheleft when he clarified that he was only talking about terminally ill claimants and not all sick and disabled ones as I originally assumed. This does not mean that I necessarily believe he is right about rapid payments to the terminally ill but I acknowledged that that was what he was talking about. And that is all that my fair enough comment was intended to acknowledge. It was in no way a comment upon my denial of PIP. I have a booklet supplied by the Parkinsons team that details exactly how the points are calculated and how many you need. I read this very carefully and it was obvious to me that my condition was not yet impacting me enough to get enough points to qualify. I was nevertheless advised to apply anyway just to get my condition on their radar because it inevitably will get worse. So the denial of my claim was expected and the reasoning behind it was explained in detail and made total sense. So I suppose I do think that that is fair enough as well for the time being. The DWP people dealing with PIP will be familiar with Parkinsons and its range of systems and that it is a progressive condition that tends to become more severe over time. So they will know that at some point I will be reapplying with a worsening range of symptoms. And that at such a time I am far more likely to get a PIP award. |
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