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Post by montegriffo on Mar 26, 2024 14:59:04 GMT
Anyway I suspect another hung parliament, or a very slim majority. Coalition would not necessarily be a bad thing if they all put their differences aside and focused on the biggest issue of our era. The threat from a Russian dictatorship. That's not what the current polls are suggesting. I suspect it will be a low turnout though. Neither leader attracting much excitement. Low turnout elections are less predictable. |
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Post by vinny on Mar 26, 2024 15:03:22 GMT
I don't place too much stock in opinion polls.
But as you say if it is a low turnout, less predictable.
It would be a very bad thing if turnout is low.
The less representative a government is, the more damage it can do.
We need government to listen to us, give us more votes, and have us influence their work.
They are after all, our servants.
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 26, 2024 15:12:00 GMT
I don't place too much stock in opinion polls. But as you say if it is a low turnout, less predictable. It would be a very bad thing if turnout is low. The less representative a government is, the more damage it can do. We need government to listen to us, give us more votes, and have us influence their work. They are after all, our servants. I tend to think the smaller the majority the greater the democracy but I fear we may be heading towards a New Labour sized landslide. People are really fed up with this Tory government. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 27, 2024 8:33:58 GMT
I don't place too much stock in opinion polls. But as you say if it is a low turnout, less predictable. It would be a very bad thing if turnout is low. The less representative a government is, the more damage it can do. We need government to listen to us, give us more votes, and have us influence their work. They are after all, our servants. I don’t think that you need to trust polls to understand how deeply unpopular the current Tory government is. I do believe that there is a shy Tory factor though, and in the GE they will get more than predicted, but nowhere near winning. Reform may be a big factor for them too. They have a big issue, having been elected on the populism of Boris Johnson, but with their blue wall under threat, they are unsure which way to turn. I suspect they are going to try and shore up the blue wall. Interesting last paragraph, you seem to be moving towards direct democracy. Must admit, that makes me feel a little uneasy, as many people have opinions but little knowledge or understanding of anything other than basics, so anything other than a basic constitutional change should be left to politicians and their manifestos. |
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Post by totheleft on Mar 27, 2024 8:42:29 GMT
I don't place too much stock in opinion polls. But as you say if it is a low turnout, less predictable. It would be a very bad thing if turnout is low. The less representative a government is, the more damage it can do. We need government to listen to us, give us more votes, and have us influence their work. They are after all, our servants. I don’t think that you need to trust polls to understand how deeply unpopular the current Tory government is. I do believe that there is a shy Tory factor though, and in the GE they will get more than predicted, but nowhere near winning. Reform may be a big factor for them too. They have a big issue, having been elected on the populism of Boris Johnson, but with their blue wall under threat, they are unsure which way to turn. I suspect they are going to try and shore up the blue wall. I think seeing labour have seemed to have the EU options shut in there face. I feel labour will increase there Marjority . Because the Brexit voters will turn to labour and it Might even steal some of Reform thunder . |
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 8:50:37 GMT
I don't place too much stock in opinion polls. But as you say if it is a low turnout, less predictable. It would be a very bad thing if turnout is low. The less representative a government is, the more damage it can do. We need government to listen to us, give us more votes, and have us influence their work. They are after all, our servants. I don’t think that you need to trust polls to understand how deeply unpopular the current Tory government is. I do believe that there is a shy Tory factor though, and in the GE they will get more than predicted, but nowhere near winning. Reform may be a big factor for them too. They have a big issue, having been elected on the populism of Boris Johnson, but with their blue wall under threat, they are unsure which way to turn. I suspect they are going to try and shore up the blue wall. Interesting last paragraph, you seem to be moving towards direct democracy. Must admit, that makes me feel a little uneasy, as many people have opinions but little knowledge or understanding of anything other than basics, so anything other than a basic constitutional change should be left to politicians and their manifestos. Well I suppose your opinion on direct democracy is in direct proportion to your opinion on Brexit. Too many uninformed (not necessarily by their own fault) people voting on feelings rather than hard facts. There were precious few hard facts from either side of the campaign. |
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Post by vinny on Mar 27, 2024 10:00:43 GMT
I don't place too much stock in opinion polls. But as you say if it is a low turnout, less predictable. It would be a very bad thing if turnout is low. The less representative a government is, the more damage it can do. We need government to listen to us, give us more votes, and have us influence their work. They are after all, our servants. I don’t think that you need to trust polls to understand how deeply unpopular the current Tory government is. I know they're unpopular, the thing is, Labour are not offering any serious alternative. And to make things worse, Labour can't even define what a woman is! How can they be expected to be taken seriously? |
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 27, 2024 10:04:44 GMT
A woman is any person who wouldn't want to be stuck in a lift with Donald Trump.
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 27, 2024 16:10:07 GMT
I don’t think that you need to trust polls to understand how deeply unpopular the current Tory government is. I know they're unpopular, the thing is, Labour are not offering any serious alternative. And to make things worse, Labour can't even define what a woman is! How can they be expected to be taken seriously? I think that your first paragraph is right, being seen as "competent" and "not Tory" does indeed seem to be enough. Be interesting to see if that changes once the manifestos come out. Your second paragraph isn't really true though. The Labour Party have not sought to define a woman. The incident that you refer to is Kier Starmer being asked in a radio interview, not really the same thing. It's the sort of desperation culture wars that the Tories are relying on, because they literally have nothing left. When I look to a government, I want them to: * Protect us from threats, both internationally and domestically * Manage the economy so that the country can pay its bills * Ensure that we have sufficient gas and electricity at affordable prices * Have good public services, including NHS, Education, Police, Fire etc to serve the public * Have good infrastructure that serves the public * Manage immigration in a way that benefits the UK * Ensure that we have good international relations, and cooperation with other countries, calling out those who try to take advantage * Maintain trade, tied in with the latter * etc. Whether the leader of the party struggles to define a woman, is quite frankly irrelevant to any of that. |
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Post by vinny on Mar 27, 2024 16:27:42 GMT
Do you want a situation in which men are put in with women in women's prisons because they self identify as women?
Do you want a situation in which men compete in women's sports, because they self identify as women?
Do you want a situation in which men can be accommodated in women's shelters, because they self identify as women?
All of this has happened because of do gooders already and yet Labour seem more concerned about "transphobia".
It's not that your concerns don't matter, of course they do.
Everything you've highlighted is valid.
But there are additional concerns that most people have, which Labour seem alienated from.
And, as Labour has a track record of spending more than it gets, building up debts isn't a long term path to a stable economy, although I concede, we're in an emergency situation and need to rebuild our military, rapidly.
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 27, 2024 18:32:28 GMT
Do you want a situation in which men are put in with women in women's prisons because they self identify as women? Do you want a situation in which men compete in women's sports, because they self identify as women? Do you want a situation in which men can be accommodated in women's shelters, because they self identify as women? All of this has happened because of do gooders already and yet Labour seem more concerned about "transphobia". It's not that your concerns don't matter, of course they do. Everything you've highlighted is valid. But there are additional concerns that most people have, which Labour seem alienated from. And, as Labour has a track record of spending more than it gets, building up debts isn't a long term path to a stable economy, although I concede, we're in an emergency situation and need to rebuild our military, rapidly. Questions 1 and 3, no, self identification would be insufficient reason. Question 2, this should be up to sports governing bodies to manage, not governments, I don't think that laws are required. I don't think that it's current Labour Party policy to change any of this though, is it? |
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Post by Zany on Apr 6, 2024 8:24:14 GMT
I don’t think that you need to trust polls to understand how deeply unpopular the current Tory government is. I know they're unpopular, the thing is, Labour are not offering any serious alternative. And to make things worse, Labour can't even define what a woman is! How can they be expected to be taken seriously? Is that an important issue for you? That our MP's have an agreed definition of what is a woman? |
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Post by Orac on Apr 6, 2024 8:32:46 GMT
I know they're unpopular, the thing is, Labour are not offering any serious alternative. And to make things worse, Labour can't even define what a woman is! How can they be expected to be taken seriously? Is that an important issue for you? That our MP's have an agreed definition of what is a woman? The exact 'agreed definition' is not the issue. The real issue is whether this person has any personal integrity or are they just a shifty, lying pole climbing nothing of person. |
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Post by Zany on Apr 6, 2024 8:49:06 GMT
Is that an important issue for you? That our MP's have an agreed definition of what is a woman? The exact 'agreed definition' is not the issue. The real issue is whether this person has any personal integrity or are they just a shifty, lying pole climbing nothing of person. I agree its a problem, I just don't think its an important election issue. The biggest issue for me at this elections is trust. I don't trust my government to do its best for the country rather than themselves. Thus everything they promise has become valueless. I don't know if Labour will prove more trust worthy, but I find it hard to believe they will be less. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2024 10:38:09 GMT
Do you want a situation in which men are put in with women in women's prisons because they self identify as women? Do you want a situation in which men compete in women's sports, because they self identify as women? Do you want a situation in which men can be accommodated in women's shelters, because they self identify as women? All of this has happened because of do gooders already and yet Labour seem more concerned about "transphobia". It's not that your concerns don't matter, of course they do. Everything you've highlighted is valid. But there are additional concerns that most people have, which Labour seem alienated from. And, as Labour has a track record of spending more than it gets, building up debts isn't a long term path to a stable economy, although I concede, we're in an emergency situation and need to rebuild our military, rapidly. What I want is to live in is a country where we have nothing more important than that to worry about. Sadly we don't. There are far more important matters to most of us than the definition of a woman, about which I care very little if it is not adversely affecting anyone I know. But not being a social reactionary I tend to be a live and let live kind of person anyway. So if someone born with a dick and two balls wants them chopped off so he/she can identify as a woman, why should I care? It's his/her life, not mine. |
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