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Post by vinny on Jul 2, 2024 10:46:24 GMT
So what? Every region of London voted against UK INDEPENDENCE. Scotland is a region of the UK, the UK is a sovereign country which tore up its membership of the EU by democratic vote. The English are fellow Brits.
If Scotland had left the UK in 2014 it would have had a hard border with both the EU and UK. Stop bitching about your fellow Brits, we are not your enemies, we are your fellow countrymen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2024 12:15:26 GMT
Some countries joined the EU in 5 years or less, so no it wouldn't have had a hard border with the EU for all these years for certain - There's no way of knowing that. There's also no way of knowing it would have had a 'hard border' with England.
And some have actually been talking about a kind of London independence movement for a while now, be careful about being dismissive of others, as a city state London would actually do quite well on its own. There might not be a serious movement just yet, but talk is enough - anything is possible in today's world, in a few years who knows?
Posting "UK INDEPENDENCE" in caps lock doesn't make the argument any more valid.
As for labelling me as if I'm Scottish, I'm only part Scottish by blood and am very much English, Scottish Independence helps English Nationalism of which I am a fan - so it's no good trying to paint me in that corner. I supported E.V.E.L and believe English parliament should make laws only for England, England's parliament also shouldn't be dictating to the Welsh or NI who also deserve their own reunification with the Republic of Ireland.
Why do you want control of others' countries? England has enough to deal with without controlling its neighbours
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Post by Steve on Jul 2, 2024 13:23:28 GMT
So what? Every region of London voted against UK INDEPENDENCE. Scotland is a region of the UK, the UK is a sovereign country which tore up its membership of the EU by democratic vote. The English are fellow Brits. If Scotland had left the UK in 2014 it would have had a hard border with both the EU and UK. Stop bitching about your fellow Brits, we are not your enemies, we are your fellow countrymen. Patronising talk like that is a powerful way to convert that 1 in 3 support for Scottish independence to 2 in 3.
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Post by vinny on Jul 2, 2024 15:32:07 GMT
Patronising? It's just the honest unvarnished truth. Had Scotland left the UK in 2014, there would have been no Article 50 type transition process as it wouldn't have just been leaving the EU it would have been leaving the sovereign country which held membership of the EU. Departure would have been instant.
There wouldn't even have been time to organise a new sovereign Scottish currency, a separate vehicle registration authority, vehicle licensing authority, civil aviation authority, a separate Maritime and Coastguard Agency and shipping registrations, or even a defence force for Scotland.
Nor was there any plan for how to cope with Scotland's share of the UK's rather substantial national debt.
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Post by Steve on Jul 2, 2024 16:48:02 GMT
No departure would not have been instant.
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Post by vinny on Jul 3, 2024 21:10:13 GMT
In your opinion. But we don't have a written constitution. We don't have a written procedure for a Kingdom of the UK to separate from the sovereign country.
The breakaway and partition of India was so rapid and so messy, over a million died because of the cock ups in a sloppy and rushed method of separating it from us. There were also the Indo Pak wars because it was rushed and botched.
Politicians have learned nothing. Were Scotland to breakaway, it would be so rapid and so messy, and so badly thought through, there would be serious cock ups, especially when it comes to taxation and public spending. And the idea that free tuition would survive such a process? That's absurdly wishful thinking.
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Post by Steve on Jul 3, 2024 21:45:25 GMT
Not just my opinion, it's a fact but then I've read the relevant parts of the Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013 and its predecessor the Edinburgh Agreement. Have you?
And we do have a written constitution it's just not one single document.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 13:27:09 GMT
The SNP got the trouncing they deserved yesterday.
A wake up call for them to get their house in order, or dissolve as a party
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Post by Steve on Jul 5, 2024 21:24:05 GMT
They're a busted flush now
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Post by Amadan on Jul 12, 2024 7:02:16 GMT
So what? Every region of London voted against UK INDEPENDENCE. Scotland is a region of the UK, the UK is a sovereign country which tore up its membership of the EU by democratic vote. The English are fellow Brits. If Scotland had left the UK in 2014 it would have had a hard border with both the EU and UK. Stop bitching about your fellow Brits, we are not your enemies, we are your fellow countrymen. Patronising talk like that is a powerful way to convert that 1 in 3 support for Scottish independence to 2 in 3. 1 in 3 support Scottish indy you say? Do you have a link to that?
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Post by Amadan on Jul 12, 2024 7:04:00 GMT
They're a busted flush now I mind they said something similar in the aftermath of the 2014 referendum. How did that go? I think to be fair you are partially correct regarding the snp as a party with the current tainted sturgeon clique leadership. Clearly though , the independence support has de coupled itself from the snp.
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Post by Steve on Jul 12, 2024 9:52:38 GMT
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Post by Amadan on Jul 12, 2024 10:29:23 GMT
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Post by Amadan on Jul 12, 2024 10:42:01 GMT
Pretty desperate stuff Steve trying to include dont knows to the independence polling to minimise support for indy.
Independence support in scotland is the highest it's ever been not just in my lifetime , but in the modern era. We can debate why that is , but to try and question that , or imply it's fallen since 2014 is laughable.
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Post by Steve on Jul 12, 2024 16:34:21 GMT
Pretty desperate stuff Steve trying to include dont knows to the independence polling to minimise support for indy. Independence support in scotland is the highest it's ever been not just in my lifetime , but in the modern era. We can debate why that is , but to try and question that , or imply it's fallen since 2014 is laughable. As the recent election proved? Obviously not as the SNP only got 30% of the votes cast in Scotland. IE about that very same one third. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/regions/S92000003The SNP now have as much chance of winning independence as Scotland have of winning Sunday's Euro final
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