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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2024 19:27:47 GMT
There is the tiny thin wafer - Sieg heil just means 'hail victory', so also appropriate for an election victory speech The broader discussion is about immigration's effect on UK society. We now have shithole cults using their signals in our elections. A nonsense comparison. Sieg Heil translates as hail to victory, and was used to infer victory in all Nazi goals - political, military, and genocidal. It was a political salute loaded with all these meanings unique to a particular far right party in Germany. Allahu Akbar simply means God is great in Arabic and is a statement of religious faith amongst Muslims. There is no inference of war, genocide, or politics, just an affirmation of faith in the greatness of God as they conceive Him to be. The fact that you fail to understand the difference is rather telling in itself. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2024 19:34:01 GMT
You talk of context yet say that someone supporting the Palestinians and critical of Israel and who praises God in his own religion, actually wants to exterminate the Jews, Someone who shouts that term in public is signalling. It was pretty obvious what was signaled here. Like i say, an interesting change in direction for the green party Clearly he was inferring God's support for the Palestinians whom he regards - not without reason - as an oppressed people. He was not inferring extermination of the Jews, except in your own imagination. And again, you try and imply without evidence that the views of one person represents the views of the entire Green movement, most of whom are not even Muslims. Which is of course so self-evidently ridiculous that I can only infer deliberate dishonesty on your part, because I simply do not believe that you are anywhere near as stupid as you would have to be to actually think that, least not without compelling evidence to support such a belief. |
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Post by Orac on May 7, 2024 19:45:09 GMT
There is the tiny thin wafer - Sieg heil just means 'hail victory', so also appropriate for an election victory speech The broader discussion is about immigration's effect on UK society. We now have shithole cults using their signals in our elections. A nonsense comparison. Sieg Heil translates as hail to victory, and was used to infer victory in all Nazi goals - political, military, and genocidal. It was a political salute loaded with all these meanings unique to a particular far right party in Germany. Allahu Akbar simply means God is great in Arabic and is a statement of religious faith amongst Muslims. There is no inference of war, genocide, or politics, just an affirmation of faith in the greatness of God as they conceive Him to be. The fact that you fail to understand the difference is rather telling in itself. ." Of course, this is a brain dead argument and i would never attempt such nonsense, but it seems to be the kind of brain-dead you are happy enough to deploy when examining this.. Both phrases are (can be) exclamations of political fealty - Seig Heil because the Nazi party was a political party and Allahu Akbar because Islam is both a religion and a political system. Shouting allahu aknbar in political context is deliberately drawing on that political dimension. This opens up the broader discussion as to why Islam in particular is so objectionable. Certainly, for me there is no great distance between political Islam and Nazism. British elections aren't supposed to be like this - but they are now. |
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Post by Zany on May 7, 2024 19:46:58 GMT
There is the tiny thin wafer - Sieg heil just means 'hail victory', so also appropriate for an election victory speech. Nothing to see? The broader discussion is about immigration's effect on UK society. We now have 3rd world death cults using their signals in our elections. yes, saying Sieg heil doesn't make you a Na** Being a Na** makes you a Na** Being a Muslim is does not make you part of a third world death cult. ISIS are Muslim. Muslims are not ISIS You're way out of line. |
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Post by Orac on May 7, 2024 20:08:05 GMT
There is the tiny thin wafer - Sieg heil just means 'hail victory', so also appropriate for an election victory speech. Nothing to see? The broader discussion is about immigration's effect on UK society. We now have 3rd world death cults using their signals in our elections. yes, saying Sieg heil doesn't make you a Na** Being a Na** makes you a Na** Being a Muslim is does not make you part of a third world death cult. ISIS are Muslim. Muslims are not ISIS You're way out of line. When faced with clear evidence that things are going badly wrong, you just double down and deny the problem. This is supposedly the Green party - the party of earnest cardigans and tofu. These third-world medieval halfwits (who shouldn't even be here) have hijacked a section of uk political life and used it for their sectarian, tribal warfare purposes. The pattern will be repeated - rinse and repeat. It's a clear example of what i'm talking about in this thread and your reaction is a clear illustration of why it will continue. The question becomes, when are people like you going to let go of the rising rope of self-deluded lunacy and face up to the reality - and, even if you do, will it be in time to avert catastrophe for me and my family? |
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Post by Orac on May 7, 2024 20:11:45 GMT
Btw there is no rule against the use of word 'Nazi' on this forum -
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Post by Zany on May 7, 2024 20:15:15 GMT
yes, saying Sieg heil doesn't make you a Na** Being a Na** makes you a Na** Being a Muslim is does not make you part of a third world death cult. ISIS are Muslim. Muslims are not ISIS You're way out of line. When faced with clear evidence that things are going badly wrong, you just double down and deny the problem. This is supposedly the Green party - the party of earnest cardigans and tofu. These third-world medieval halfwits (who shouldn't even be here) have hijacked a section of uk political life and used it for their sectarian, tribal warfare purposes. The pattern will be repeated - rinse and repeat. It's a clear example of what i'm talking about in this thread and your reaction is a clear illustration of why it will continue. The question becomes, when are people like you going to let go of the rising rope of self-deluded lunacy and face up to the reality - and, even if you do, will it be in time to avert catastrophe for me and my family? Is this a wind up? |
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Post by dappy on May 7, 2024 20:32:01 GMT
I was beginning to feel optimistic about this forum until reading this thread. Disappointing.
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Post by Zany on May 7, 2024 20:35:32 GMT
I was beginning to feel optimistic about this forum until reading this thread. Disappointing. Not at all. Its polite and each post is addressable. Pretty perfect from my point of view. |
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Post by Steve on May 7, 2024 21:44:40 GMT
It's sad that so many people see the Hamas - Israel conflict in highly polarised terms. Both Hamas (not the same thing as Palestinians) and the IDF/Likud alliance (not the same thing as Israelis) have such a long history of atrocities against civilians I'm very much a plague on both their houses person.
And I applaud what SRB and Zany have been very patiently saying above.
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Post by Steve on May 7, 2024 21:46:27 GMT
I was beginning to feel optimistic about this forum until reading this thread. Disappointing. IMHO it's all been playing the ball not the man stuff unlike at that other place |
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Post by dappy on May 7, 2024 21:51:20 GMT
Islamic rule
Jew extermination
third world medieval half wits
Etc etc.
Each to their own , but not for me.
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Post by Steve on May 7, 2024 21:57:49 GMT
Have to say I don't see what the last few pages have to do with the thread title 'Immigration: the strategic picture'
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2024 23:24:55 GMT
Islamic rule Jew extermination third world medieval half wits Etc etc. Each to their own , but not for me. To be fair only one person is saying that. Pity it happens to be the Admin, but at least he is not abusing his power to silence the rest of us. Of course the fact that a Muslim Green party member supports the Palestinians and is critical of Israel in no way equates to a desire to exterminate all Jews, a risibly silly extrapolation. And even if it did, the views of one person do not represent the entire Green party, another risibly silly extrapolation. So the lamentable views you cite are not only laced with bigotry - "medieval halfwits" - but they totally break down on those two points of obvious logic I have cited, which the proponent of said views has in no way challenged but just carried on regardless, with zero effect when it comes to making friends and influencing people, lol. Mostly the standard of debate on this forum is much better, so please don't let the opinions of one person, roundly shot down and made to look silly by everyone else, put you off. After all, had the same views been expressed on the other forum, many of them would have agreed with him, using equally inane, illogical, and/or prejudiced posts of similarly poorly argued and poorly evidenced nonsense that they have made up. It is still better here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2024 0:08:24 GMT
yes, saying Sieg heil doesn't make you a Na** Being a Na** makes you a Na** Being a Muslim is does not make you part of a third world death cult. ISIS are Muslim. Muslims are not ISIS You're way out of line. When faced with clear evidence that things are going badly wrong, you just double down and deny the problem. This is supposedly the Green party - the party of earnest cardigans and tofu. These third-world medieval halfwits (who shouldn't even be here) have hijacked a section of uk political life and used it for their sectarian, tribal warfare purposes. The pattern will be repeated - rinse and repeat. It's a clear example of what i'm talking about in this thread and your reaction is a clear illustration of why it will continue. The question becomes, when are people like you going to let go of the rising rope of self-deluded lunacy and face up to the reality - and, even if you do, will it be in time to avert catastrophe for me and my family? You are talking about one person, not the entire Green party - and mostly talking shit even about him. And for the third time, where is your evidence that he represents the views of the entire Green party anyway? Choosing to believe something because you want to even when it is logically idiotic and there is zero evidence for it is the kind of thing fundamentalists do. So yet again, where is your evidence that this one man's views are typical of the entire Green party? Have you any? Or are you just thinking and talking shit? |
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