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Post by Robert on Nov 24, 2024 22:22:13 GMT
310 bodies found in the mass grave in Khan Younis hospital, god knows what will be found when this is all over. Netanyahu has caused the state of Israel untold damage that will be felt for generations to come. It has been clearly documented that the so-called "mass graves" at hospitals are due to lack of space and an inability in war time for bodies to be taken away.: For example: Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 5:22am
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Post by Robert on Nov 24, 2024 22:26:37 GMT
More kids killed killed in Raffa, God knows what the final death toll will be but some are suggesting north of 100,000. UN rapporteur is going to start an investigation into the US and other countries that have provided arms to Israel since the ICJ said there was 'plausible' evidence of a genocide taking place. Well, it has to be said, that war is indeed nasty. That being the case, no one forces the Palestinian Arabs to keep attacking Israel. This aggression against Israel then typically leads to all sorts of subsequent condemnation of Israel, for defending itself. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 5:26am
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2024 0:34:39 GMT
No one forces Israel to seize land, to bulldozer the homes of Palestinians, to shoot journalists that report on such, to shoot unarmed protestors for merely approaching the border fence etc etc.
But it's what they do and anyone thinking only one side is to blame in all this is just being ridiculous.
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 6:32:55 GMT
No one forces Israel to seize land, to bulldozer the homes of Palestinians, to shoot journalists that report on such, to shoot unarmed protestors for merely approaching the border fence etc etc. But it's what they do and anyone thinking only one side is to blame in all this is just being ridiculous. Contributor "Steve" wrote: "No one forces Israel to seize land [...]": Without detail, it is difficult to answer specifically - Accusations without detail then; a typical ploy. There is no seizure of any land. Contributor "Steve" also wrote: "[...] to bulldozer the homes of Palestinians [...]": Again no detail, but I am aware this happens in the following typical circumstanes: During the night, Palestinian Arabs devoid of any building permit, rush to set up tents and construct buildings. Then, similar in this type of circumstance as do many countries, the Israeli authorities come to demolish the illegal structures, thus resulting in "horror" by the totally biased Media; and also forum contributors! Contributor "Steve" wrote: Referring to the latter:"[...] to shoot journalists that report on such [...]": No details, no objective-sources; zero evidence. Contributor "Steve" also wrote: "[...] to shoot unarmed protestors for merely approaching the border fence etc etc. [...]": If unarmed Palestinian Arabs breach the border fence between Gaza and Israel, they surely will locate arms and carry out terrorist acts. It seems the contributor has also so easily and conveniently forgotten what Palestinian Arabs do when able to breach the Gaza border fence with Israel. Need the reader be reminded about the October 7th, 2023 massacre by Gazan Hamas Palestinian Arabs?: Heading: "Evidence on Display at Israel’s Forensic Pathology Center Confirms Hamas’ Atrocities": themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/ Contributor "Steve" wrote: "[...] thinking only one side is to blame in all this is just being ridiculous.": Not at all - The Gazen Hamas Palestinian Arabs (supported by the supposedly "innocent" Palestinian civilians), due their having perpetrated the October 7th, 2023 massacre, indeed worked hard to achieve the current conflict, a conflict which continues to unfold, yet while also continuing to fanatically grip onto the hostages. Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 1:32pm
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Post by vinny on Nov 25, 2024 10:14:29 GMT
If you won't recognise that Likud bear 50% of the blame for this war, you'll remain as wrong as those who blame Israel exclusively.
Both sides have their criminals.
Both sides have their murderers.
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2024 10:30:26 GMT
No one forces Israel to seize land, to bulldozer the homes of Palestinians, to shoot journalists that report on such, to shoot unarmed protestors for merely approaching the border fence etc etc. But it's what they do and anyone thinking only one side is to blame in all this is just being ridiculous. Contributor "Steve" wrote: "No one forces Israel to seize land [...]": Without detail, it is difficult to answer specifically - Accusations without detail then; a typical ploy. There is no seizure of any land. . . So seems you are unaware of the Jewish settlements illegally built in the West Bank? FFS have you been living in a cupboard these last decades read the detailsLets face it Robert you're just a flag waver for Likud who'll repeat their propaganda over and over.
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 4:33:28 GMT
If you won't recognise that Likud bear 50% of the blame for this war, you'll remain as wrong as those who blame Israel exclusively. Both sides have their criminals. Both sides have their murderers. Then the contributor will no doubt believe that the U.S.A. was likewise equally to blame for the Japanese unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbour in the Second World War. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 4:37:49 GMT
Contributor "Steve" wrote: "No one forces Israel to seize land [...]": Without detail, it is difficult to answer specifically - Accusations without detail then; a typical ploy. There is no seizure of any land. . . So seems you are unaware of the Jewish settlements illegally built in the West Bank? FFS have you been living in a cupboard these last decades read the detailsLets face it Robert you're just a flag waver for Likud who'll repeat their propaganda over and over. The "Israel Policy Forum" linked by the contributor states that it seeks to achieve a two-state solution. That is pernicious as it can never lead to peace, because the Palestinian Arabs seek only to take ALL the land and expel or murder the Jews. There is NO viable two-state solution. The Palestinian Arabs violently rejected two previous attempts at a two-state solution: The U.N. Partition Plan under resolution 181 and the Oslo Accords. We can also see what the Palestinian Arabs would do with a State, by considering what they did with the autonomy granted to them under the Oslo Accords; they: Claim ALL the land, continue terrorism against Israeli Jewish civilians including children, fire thousands of rockets at Israeli cities, and they carried out the massacre of October 7th, 2023. The "Israel Policy Forum" appears to describe, and give details upon, what is in my view mistakenly termed, Israeli "settlements". I see no issue regarding Jewish homes, villages, or towns, being built in Judah and Samaria ("West Bank") because this area is part of the Jewish ancestral-homeland. Internationally-recognized history shows that the last indigenous sovereign state in the land of Israel (Roman-imposed name “Palestine”), prior to the RE-establishment of Israel in 1948, was the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom. It included the: “West Bank”, Gaza, and Golan Heights. Capital (what is now “EAST”) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpgHow to immediately end the alleged Israeli Illegal-occupation of its ancestral-land, and also the alleged "illegal" status of Israeli home and village building (alleged "illegal"-"settlements") there:
The falsehood purporting an Israeli illegal-occupation of any part of the Jewish ancestral-homeland, comes from the anti-Semitic policies of the United Nations, and which therefore the U.N. should repeal forthwith. An example of a different U.N. anti-Semitic policy subsequently repealed, was the U.N.'s falsehood that Zionism (Jewish nationalism) was form of racism: www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/world/un-repeals-its-75-resolution-equating-zionism-with-racism.htmlThe U.N. bias against Israel and the Jewish people constitutes an attempt to make anti-Semitism normal. Once the U.N. have repealed their illegal and illogical falsehood purporting an Israeli illegal-occupation, the U.N. should offer an apology to the Jewish people for all the years of the U.N.'s suffocating anti-Semitic trumped-up charge. Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral-homeland. Internationally-recognized history shows that the last indigenous sovereign state in the land of Israel (Roman-imposed name “Palestine”), prior to the RE-establishment of Israel in 1948, was the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom. It included the: “West Bank”, Gaza, and Golan Heights. Capital (what is now “EAST”) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpgSuch U.N. policies are illegal, being in conflict with the international treaty signed by the Israelis and “Palestinian” Arabs - the Oslo Accords which also constitute international law. There has never been any indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of Israel. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 4:43:38 GMT
Contributor "Steve" wrote: "No one forces Israel to seize land [...]": Without detail, it is difficult to answer specifically - Accusations without detail then; a typical ploy. There is no seizure of any land. . . So seems you are unaware of the Jewish settlements illegally built in the West Bank? FFS have you been living in a cupboard these last decades read the detailsLets face it Robert you're just a flag waver for Likud who'll repeat their propaganda over and over. I have no connections with Israel and do not take sides between Israeli political parties. Robert
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Post by RedRum on Nov 27, 2024 8:11:00 GMT
310 bodies found in the mass grave in Khan Younis hospital, god knows what will be found when this is all over. Netanyahu has caused the state of Israel untold damage that will be felt for generations to come. It has been clearly documented that the so-called "mass graves" at hospitals are due to lack of space and an inability in war time for bodies to be taken away.: For example: Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 5:22amYou appear to be missing the point here. The word mass means there are a lot of bodies to bury which has hampered the attempts for proper individual burials which is the custom in civilised countries. Mass means a lot, so a lot of people have been killed in a short amount of time, therefore mass killings. There are accounts where some of the bodies have been exhumed with their hands tied being their backs. BBC news
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Post by RedRum on Nov 27, 2024 8:12:01 GMT
More kids killed killed in Raffa, God knows what the final death toll will be but some are suggesting north of 100,000. UN rapporteur is going to start an investigation into the US and other countries that have provided arms to Israel since the ICJ said there was 'plausible' evidence of a genocide taking place. Well, it has to be said, that war is indeed nasty. That being the case, no one forces the Palestinian Arabs to keep attacking Israel. This aggression against Israel then typically leads to all sorts of subsequent condemnation of Israel, for defending itself. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 5:26amWhen does 'self defence' stop and genocide start?
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Post by vinny on Nov 27, 2024 8:38:06 GMT
If you won't recognise that Likud bear 50% of the blame for this war, you'll remain as wrong as those who blame Israel exclusively. Both sides have their criminals. Both sides have their murderers. Then the contributor will no doubt believe that the U.S.A. was likewise equally to blame for the Japanese unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbour in the Second World War. RobertFalse equivalence.
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 20:57:09 GMT
It has been clearly documented that the so-called "mass graves" at hospitals are due to lack of space and an inability in war time for bodies to be taken away.: For example: Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 5:22amYou appear to be missing the point here. The word mass means there are a lot of bodies to bury which has hampered the attempts for proper individual burials which is the custom in civilised countries. Mass means a lot, so a lot of people have been killed in a short amount of time, therefore mass killings. There are accounts where some of the bodies have been exhumed with their hands tied being their backs. BBC newsContributor "Red Rum" wrote: "There are accounts where some of the bodies have been exhumed with their hands tied being their backs.": I've looked a the Link to the BBC article and it states that the allegation of hands tied sources from "Palestinian officials". The BBC article goes on to say this: Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 21:00:09 GMT
Well, it has to be said, that war is indeed nasty. That being the case, no one forces the Palestinian Arabs to keep attacking Israel. This aggression against Israel then typically leads to all sorts of subsequent condemnation of Israel, for defending itself. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 5:26amWhen does 'self defence' stop and genocide start? With the required proof of 'intention'. Robert
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Post by RedRum on Nov 28, 2024 7:17:39 GMT
You appear to be missing the point here. The word mass means there are a lot of bodies to bury which has hampered the attempts for proper individual burials which is the custom in civilised countries. Mass means a lot, so a lot of people have been killed in a short amount of time, therefore mass killings. There are accounts where some of the bodies have been exhumed with their hands tied being their backs. BBC newsContributor "Red Rum" wrote: "There are accounts where some of the bodies have been exhumed with their hands tied being their backs.": I've looked a the Link to the BBC article and it states that the allegation of hands tied sources from "Palestinian officials". The BBC article goes on to say this: RobertPalestinian officials are all we have got, Israel will only allow a few selected members of the foreign media in and then escort them to things they want them to see. Israel said Hamas attacked them on Oct 7th but there is no evidence to support that claim.
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