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Post by montegriffo on Apr 1, 2024 19:27:54 GMT
From today You can legally possess up to 25gms of cannabis, grow 3 plants and will soon be able to legally buy weed in cannabis social clubs. Is it inevitable that the UK will follow countries such as Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Canada and the US in legalising recreational cannabis? Not only does legalisation take the market away from organised crime but it also ensures a regulated, safer product, saves money in policing and prosecution and generates income in taxes. finance.yahoo.com/news/top-20-countries-where-weed-120742547.html |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 21:34:55 GMT
Legalising cannabis is such an obvious no brainer that the UK is certain to be one of the last nations to do it.
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Post by totheleft on Apr 2, 2024 13:12:21 GMT
I've always said that the use of cannabis
Leads to Class A drugs .Ive learnt this by working with the Homeless and cannabis undoubtedly leads to mental illness.
That 2 points I'm against legal canabish use in this Country.
Prevalence of illicit drug use in Europe in 2021, by country
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Conor Stewart
, Mar 4, 2024
As of 2021, 13.5 percent of the adult population in Spain were estimated to have used illicit drugs in the previous year, the highest prevalence among the selected European countries shown. In both France and Croatia, illicit drug use was above 11 percent.
Examples of problem drug use in Europe
According to the latest figures, the Netherlands had the highest share of their population who had used cocaine in the previous year in Europe. Around 2.5 percent of the Dutch population had used cocaine in the preceding twelve months, followed by Spain and Ireland, which both had over two percent of individuals using cocaine. When it comes to amphetamines, Austria had the highest prevalence of use, with 1.5 percent of their respective populations using in the last year.
Drug deaths in Europe
In 2021, 54 percent of men who died as a result of drug use in Europe were aged between 25 and 44 years, while 39 percent of drug deaths among women were also in this age group. Norway was the country in Europe with the highest incidence of drug deaths, at 85 per million population.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 14:04:09 GMT
Illegality and criminalisation do nothing to prevent cannabis use. They just make the effects of it's use both on individuals and society worse.
And the primary reason why cannabis leads to other drugs is because the same criminal networks supply and sell it.
Legalising it would allow a legal supply chain independent of criminal networks and reduce the harm it does to individuals and society.
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Post by totheleft on Apr 2, 2024 15:11:57 GMT
Illegality and criminalisation do nothing to prevent cannabis use. They just make the effects of it's use both on individuals and society worse. And the primary reason why cannabis leads to other drugs is because the same criminal networks supply and sell it. Legalising it would allow a legal supply chain independent of criminal networks and reduce the harm it does to individuals and society. If you notice to top users of Illicit drugs was Spain last year who have legal canabish and Netherlands this year both have legal cannabis sells . More than a coquettish Srb7677 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 16:43:39 GMT
Illegality and criminalisation do nothing to prevent cannabis use. They just make the effects of it's use both on individuals and society worse. And the primary reason why cannabis leads to other drugs is because the same criminal networks supply and sell it. Legalising it would allow a legal supply chain independent of criminal networks and reduce the harm it does to individuals and society. If you notice to top users of Illicit drugs was Spain last year who have legal canabish and Netherlands this year both have legal cannabis sells . More than a coquettish Srb7677 If you imagine people smoke a joint and suddenly think, wow I must get me some heroin, you are frankly deluding yourself. That no more happens than people who drink a pint of lager suddenly think, wow I must smoke some dope. The reason cannabis leads to other things is that users frequently meet the users and sellers of other drugs whilst buying it, some of whom keep telling them how good these things are. If you cannot grasp that you are failing to understand reality on the ground. I know. I used to smoke cannabis myself several decades ago and I was forever being offered other drugs by the people selling it to me and ended up trying them in consequence. That never would have happened if cannabis had been sold legally. And don't mistake that for me having skin in the game. I gave it up decades ago and have no interest in touching it again, even if it were being given away. So I have no personal interest in it being legal because it would make no difference to me. But I do understand that it does far more harm as an illegal drug than it would as a legal one whilst the law does nothing to stop those who want to from buying it. Legal cannabis could be quality controlled and more effectively age restricted. If more people smoke dope in some of the countries that have legalised it, they are doing so far more safely. Do you honestly believe that if it were outlawed in those countries that any of those people would stop? You clearly have not learned the lessons of prohibition era America. Try and outlaw something that there is a demand for and criminals will step in and supply that thing. We see that now with drug gangs. Prohibition never stopped Americans from drinking. They merely consorted with criminals to do it or brewed their own far more toxic brews. When will people such as yourselves think rationally instead of emotionally on this subject, and learn the lessons of history? |
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Post by montegriffo on Apr 2, 2024 17:19:01 GMT
Ring fence the tax revenue from legal cannabis to be spent on rehab centres for hard drug users.
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Post by totheleft on Apr 2, 2024 18:03:02 GMT
If you notice to top users of Illicit drugs was Spain last year who have legal canabish and Netherlands this year both have legal cannabis sells . More than a coquettish Srb7677 If you imagine people smoke a joint and suddenly think, wow I must get me some heroin, you are frankly deluding yourself. That no more happens than people who drink a pint of lager suddenly think, wow I must smoke some dope. The reason cannabis leads to other things is that users frequently meet the users and sellers of other drugs whilst buying it, some of whom keep telling them how good these things are. If you cannot grasp that you are failing to understand reality on the ground. I know. I used to smoke cannabis myself several decades ago and I was forever being offered other drugs by the people selling it to me and ended up trying them in consequence. That never would have happened if cannabis had been sold legally. And don't mistake that for me having skin in the game. I gave it up decades ago and have no interest in touching it again, even if it were being given away. So I have no personal interest in it being legal because it would make no difference to me. But I do understand that it does far more harm as an illegal drug than it would as a legal one whilst the law does nothing to stop those who want to from buying it. Legal cannabis could be quality controlled and more effectively age restricted. If more people smoke dope in some of the countries that have legalised it, they are doing so far more safely. Do you honestly believe that if it were outlawed in those countries that any of those people would stop? You clearly have not learned the lessons of prohibition era America. Try and outlaw something that there is a demand for and criminals will step in and supply that thing. We see that now with drug gangs. Prohibition never stopped Americans from drinking. They merely consorted with criminals to do it or brewed their own far more toxic brews. When will people such as yourselves think rationally instead of emotionally on this subject, and learn the lessons of history? I think your missing the whole point Spain and Neverlands both have legal pot. And both high level of illicit drugs what not just Smack but coke and Ampthitamims. I'm not saying everone who smoke pot move onto class A drugs but a large majority who .take Class A Drugs started on pot . And legal pot will just increase the number of Class A drugs uses. Facts prove that |
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Post by totheleft on Apr 2, 2024 18:04:47 GMT
If you notice to top users of Illicit drugs was Spain last year who have legal canabish and Netherlands this year both have legal cannabis sells . More than a coquettish Srb7677 If you imagine people smoke a joint and suddenly think, wow I must get me some heroin, you are frankly deluding yourself. That no more happens than people who drink a pint of lager suddenly think, wow I must smoke some dope. The reason cannabis leads to other things is that users frequently meet the users and sellers of other drugs whilst buying it, some of whom keep telling them how good these things are. If you cannot grasp that you are failing to understand reality on the ground. I know. I used to smoke cannabis myself several decades ago and I was forever being offered other drugs by the people selling it to me and ended up trying them in consequence. That never would have happened if cannabis had been sold legally. And don't mistake that for me having skin in the game. I gave it up decades ago and have no interest in touching it again, even if it were being given away. So I have no personal interest in it being legal because it would make no difference to me. But I do understand that it does far more harm as an illegal drug than it would as a legal one whilst the law does nothing to stop those who want to from buying it. Legal cannabis could be quality controlled and more effectively age restricted. If more people smoke dope in some of the countries that have legalised it, they are doing so far more safely. Do you honestly believe that if it were outlawed in those countries that any of those people would stop? You clearly have not learned the lessons of prohibition era America. Try and outlaw something that there is a demand for and criminals will step in and supply that thing. We see that now with drug gangs. Prohibition never stopped Americans from drinking. They merely consorted with criminals to do it or brewed their own far more toxic brews. When will people such as yourselves think rationally instead of emotionally on this subject, and learn the lessons of history? I think your missing the whole point Spain and Neverlands both have legal pot. And both high level of illicit drugs what not just Smack but coke and Ampthitamims. I'm not saying everone who smoke pot move onto class A drugs but a large majority who .take Class A Drugs started on pot . And legal pot will just increase the number of Class A drugs uses. Facts prove that |
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Post by montegriffo on Apr 2, 2024 18:27:35 GMT
Most people taking hard drugs also drank alcohol.
Alcohol is far more addictive and socially harmful than cannabis.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 18:49:47 GMT
If you imagine people smoke a joint and suddenly think, wow I must get me some heroin, you are frankly deluding yourself. That no more happens than people who drink a pint of lager suddenly think, wow I must smoke some dope. The reason cannabis leads to other things is that users frequently meet the users and sellers of other drugs whilst buying it, some of whom keep telling them how good these things are. If you cannot grasp that you are failing to understand reality on the ground. I know. I used to smoke cannabis myself several decades ago and I was forever being offered other drugs by the people selling it to me and ended up trying them in consequence. That never would have happened if cannabis had been sold legally. And don't mistake that for me having skin in the game. I gave it up decades ago and have no interest in touching it again, even if it were being given away. So I have no personal interest in it being legal because it would make no difference to me. But I do understand that it does far more harm as an illegal drug than it would as a legal one whilst the law does nothing to stop those who want to from buying it. Legal cannabis could be quality controlled and more effectively age restricted. If more people smoke dope in some of the countries that have legalised it, they are doing so far more safely. Do you honestly believe that if it were outlawed in those countries that any of those people would stop? You clearly have not learned the lessons of prohibition era America. Try and outlaw something that there is a demand for and criminals will step in and supply that thing. We see that now with drug gangs. Prohibition never stopped Americans from drinking. They merely consorted with criminals to do it or brewed their own far more toxic brews. When will people such as yourselves think rationally instead of emotionally on this subject, and learn the lessons of history? I think your missing the whole point Spain and Neverlands both have legal pot. And both high level of illicit drugs what not just Smack but coke and Ampthitamims. I'm not saying everone who smoke pot move onto class A drugs but a large majority who .take Class A Drugs started on pot . And legal pot will just increase the number of Class A drugs uses. Facts prove that Your last statement is anything but proven fact but simply a reiteration of your belief that by smoking dope people suddenly or gradually acquire a desire to try everything else, without for a single second stopping to formulate a logical line of reason to demonstrate the mechanism by which something so implausible occurs. I have given you the reason why cannabis leads on to other things based upon solid personal experience reinforced by logical reasoning, ie that the same criminals are supplying it so you frequently get introduced to other things and their users when you buy it. Break that link and you will get fewer cannabis users getting introduced to other things by the people selling them cannabis. What do you think we achieve by keeping it illegal? Do you honestly think it stops anyone? If so you are kidding yourself. Anyone who wants to get hold of it can, especially in this internet age. All the law does is create opportunities for criminal gangs to form and thrive by supplying the demand, just as in prohibition America. All the bad outcomes from cannabis are made worse by its illegality. |
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Post by totheleft on Apr 2, 2024 19:13:14 GMT
I think your missing the whole point Spain and Neverlands both have legal pot. And both high level of illicit drugs what not just Smack but coke and Ampthitamims. I'm not saying everone who smoke pot move onto class A drugs but a large majority who .take Class A Drugs started on pot . And legal pot will just increase the number of Class A drugs uses. Facts prove that Your last statement is anything but proven fact but simply a reiteration of your belief that by smoking dope people suddenly or gradually acquire a desire to try everything else, without for a single second stopping to formulate a logical line of reason to demonstrate the mechanism by which something so implausible occurs. I have given you the reason why cannabis leads on to other things based upon solid personal experience reinforced by logical reasoning, ie that the same criminals are supplying it so you frequently get introduced to other things and their users when you buy it. Break that link and you will get fewer cannabis users getting introduced to other things by the people selling them cannabis. What do you think we achieve by keeping it illegal? Do you honestly think it stops anyone? If so you are kidding yourself. Anyone who wants to get hold of it can, especially in this internet age. All the law does is create opportunities for criminal gangs to form and thrive by supplying the demand, just as in prohibition America. All the bad outcomes from cannabis are made worse by its illegality. I give you the opportunity to prove the that taking pot out of criminal hands reduce the use of illicit drugs what you seem to be saying because it takes cannabis out of drug dealers hands . Also if they legalise canabish the criminals will just put more potent on the Streets. |
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Post by totheleft on Apr 2, 2024 19:17:26 GMT
Most people taking hard drugs also drank alcohol. Alcohol is far more addictive and socially harmful than cannabis. Yes it is that's why I think England should do the same has Scotland . Violent crime has fallen sharply since such tax |
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Post by totheleft on Apr 2, 2024 19:27:47 GMT
The US government's own National Institute on Drug Abuse states that "some research suggests that marijuana use is likely to precede use of other licit and illicit substances". It cites experiments on animals that show increased responsiveness to other drugs after being exposed to substances containing cannabis.25 Nov 2019 www.bbc.co.uk › news › w... Cannabis legalisation: Does it lead to harder drug use? - BBC News More fact that cannabish leads to more people taking Class A drugs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 19:39:51 GMT
Your last statement is anything but proven fact but simply a reiteration of your belief that by smoking dope people suddenly or gradually acquire a desire to try everything else, without for a single second stopping to formulate a logical line of reason to demonstrate the mechanism by which something so implausible occurs. I have given you the reason why cannabis leads on to other things based upon solid personal experience reinforced by logical reasoning, ie that the same criminals are supplying it so you frequently get introduced to other things and their users when you buy it. Break that link and you will get fewer cannabis users getting introduced to other things by the people selling them cannabis. What do you think we achieve by keeping it illegal? Do you honestly think it stops anyone? If so you are kidding yourself. Anyone who wants to get hold of it can, especially in this internet age. All the law does is create opportunities for criminal gangs to form and thrive by supplying the demand, just as in prohibition America. All the bad outcomes from cannabis are made worse by its illegality. I give you the opportunity to prove the that taking pot out of criminal hands reduce the use of illicit drugs what you seem to be saying because it takes cannabis out of drug dealers hands . Also if they legalise canabish the criminals will just put more potent on the Streets. So keep cannabis illegal to give the criminals something less dangerous to supply? If you drill down into the logic of that it really is ridiculous. Perhaps we should ban the sale of baked beans so more criminals who might otherwise sell cocaine or heroin will make money supplying baked beans instead? If you take the sale of cannabis out of the hands of criminals it itself ceases to be an illicit drug. And the people selling it will not be pushing other things. I have explained exactly how cannabis supplied by criminals leads to other things. Because the very same criminals are selling those others things. The link is logically obvious and is borne out by anyone with personal experience of it. Taking cannabis supply out of the hands of criminals quite clearly would result in legal points of sale where other forms of high are not being touted. You have yet to explain how illegality in any way stops people from buying it, nor do you effectively elucidate any positive outcome from it's illegality, beyond serving your personal need to have it legally defined as bad, as if that achieves anything in positive terms. No one here is saying that cannabis is a good thing, certainly not me. We know it can be potentially bad in many ways. But so too can alcohol, of which you yourself, like me, are probably a user. In some ways alcohol is demonstrably worse than cannabis which itself makes the continued illegality of the latter logically problematical. But those of you who insist on keeping it illegal have utterly failed to offer logical reasons, let alone any formed by experience, as to why it being illegal improves matters when it stops no one who wants to partake of it. |
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