October 7th Butcher Killed by Israelis.

Contributor "ammonite" wrote:
"The official Gaza heath ministry figures of [casualties ...]":
Those figures source from Hamas. Anyone who accepts them is accepting biased information from one side. 
The figures also do not differentiate between civilians and combatants.

France 24 appears to be both professional and objective, but it is not so on the Israel / Arab dispute over the land of Israel, where France 24 are entirely biased to the Palestinian Arab side. For example, all their pundits are pre-selected for pro Palestinian Arab opinion. 


Contributor "ammonite" also wrote:
"[...[ ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED Territories [...]": 
The allegation of illegal-occupation against Israel sources from U.N. resolutions falsely accusing the Jewish people of illegal-occupation of parts (such as Judah and Samaria - "West Bank", and the Golan Heights) of the Jewish people's ancestral-homeland.

How did the Jewish people become accused of illegal-occupation of parts of their own ancestral-homeland?
The U.N. and its structures have for many years had a built-in pro “Palestinian” Arab bias. The “Palestinian” Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favour of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel having one vote.

How to immediately end the alleged Israeli Illegal-occupation of its ancestral-land

The falsehood purporting an Israeli illegal-occupation of any part the Jewish ancestral-homeland, comes from the anti-Semitic policies of the United Nations, and which therefore the U.N. should repeal forthwith.

An example of a different U.N. anti-Semitic policy subsequently repealed, was the U.N.'s falsehood that Zionism (Jewish nationalism) was form of racism:
www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/world/un-repeals-its-75-resolution-equating-zionism-with-racism.html

Once the U.N. have repealed their illegal and illogical falsehood purporting an Israeli illegal-occupation, the U.N. should offer an apology to the Jewish people for all the years of the U.N.'s suffocating anti-Semitic trumped-up charge.

Accepted international constitutional law is that Laws must not be passed that are intrinsically-unjust that persecute a minority, as are the U.N. decisions against Israel, which falsely-validate the unverifiable-claims of the “Palestinian” Arabs.

An example of unjust-laws were the Nuremberg Laws of Nazi Germany which persecuted the Jews.

Such U.N. policies are illegal, being in conflict with the international treaty signed by the Israelis and “Palestinian” Arabs - the Oslo Accords which also constitute international law. The Palestinian Arabs are in breach of the Oslo Accords because they: Claim ALL the land, continue terrorism, fire rockets at Israeli cities, and carry out massacre.

There has never been any indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of Israel.

Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral-homeland.
To see that modern Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral-homeland the reader need only consult a map of the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom, which included:
Judah and Samaria (which became known since 1948 as the "West Bank" due to Jordanian illegal-occupation);
and also included Gaza, and the Golan Heights,
Its capital was what is now known as EAST Jerusalem / “Old City”;
between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpg

Therefore just as Israel / the Jewish people logically cannot:
“Invade”,
or “steal”,
or “illegally-settle”,
or “be a colony on”,
its OWN ancestral-homeland,
it also cannot logically “illegally-occupy” its OWN ancestral-homeland.


Contributor "ammonite" wrote:
"[...] there is only one answer to this almost 80 year old conflict, and that is a two state solution. [...]": 

There is no viable "two state solution".
The Palestinian Arabs do not want one. They want ALL the land.

First attempt at a two state solution:
United Nations proposed Partition Plan under resolution 181:
The then Palestinian Jewish Community accepted it, but it requires more than one party to constitute an agreement. In 1947 the “Palestinian” Arab response was to start a civil war to oppose the U.N. Partition Plan, instead take ALL the land of Israel, and ethnically-cleanse or murder the Jews from the Jews ancestral-homeland of Israel.

Second attempt at a two state solution:
The Oslo Accords:
The autonomy granted to the Palestinian Arabs under the Oslo Accords, can be considered a failed experiment how they would approach peace, were they to be further granted a state:
The ink not yet dried on the deal, the Palestinian Arabs:
Claimed ALL the land,
continued with their terrorism,
fired rockets at Israel cities,
committed a massacre against Israelis on October 7th, 2024. 


Robert



 

Contributor "Saint" wrote:
"Undoubtedly, they're entitled to fight back against oppression. [...]":

Palestinian Arab propaganda falsely-accuses Israel / the Jews of “oppression” / persecution, to try to dishonestly-invoke and misuse the Islamic rules on defense against persecution of Islam (see noble Quran: Surah 2, Al-Baqarah: vv. 190-193), and At-Taubah, 9: v. 36). 

Israel / the Jews have NOT persecuted Islam; and consequently there is also no such evidence.

This is not a religious dispute, but rather is due to the territorial-ambitions based on unverifiable claims, of those Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinians”, over the land of Israel. There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state on which the Palestinian Arabs could claim theft, or make any claim on any part of the land of Israel.

Palestinian Arab propaganda false-complaints of:
“oppression” / “persecution” / “discrimination” / “(mis) treatment” / “racism” / “being treated as 2nd class”: Is Palestinian frustration at Israeli security measures obstructing the on-going Palestinian war of ethnic-hatred against Israeli Jews.

While Israeli security measures are due to the Palestinian Arab anti-Jewish war of ethnic-hatred (see below) carried out for Palestinian territorial-ambition, Palestinian Arab propaganda falsely-accuses Israel / the Jews of “oppression” so as to create a hoax of “Persecution to try to dishonestly-invoke and misuse the Islamic rules on defence against persecution of Islam, and deceive other Muslims into supporting them.

The Palestinian Arabs cynically whitewash their anti-Jewish hate-war, as:
“uprising”, “defence”, “desperation”, “struggle”, “resistance”.

If a Palestinian Arab terrorist murders an Israeli Jew and the terrorist is imprisoned by Israel, the “Palestinian Authority” aka “Fatah” and the “Palestinian Liberation Organisation” (the P.A. funded by the “European Union” and the U.S.A.), pay a reward-“pension” to the family of the attacker: 

Example:

Israeli girl, Hallel Yaffa Ariel, aged 13, fatally stabbed in her bedroom in West Bank by a Palestinian terrorist, June 30, 2016, The Guardian: 
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/30/israeli-girl-13-stabbed-bedroom-west-bank-kiryat-arba

Listing which includes Palestinian Arab terrorist attacks by year:
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel


Robert

Israel is not guilty of any "war crimes". 

It is for the party alleging wrongdoing to prove it. 

It is however clear that Hamas is guilty of "war crimes": 
Heading: "Evidence on Display at Israel’s Forensic Pathology Center Confirms Hamas’ Atrocities": 
themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/ 


Robert

One sided nonsense. Both sides are war criminals.

Big fat lie ^


The two state solution was agreed and the Palestinians kept their part of the deal even though it meant giving up further land.  But that wasn't enough for the hard Zionists who assasinated the Israeli PM who'd signed the deal and then got their mates Likud to act to destry the deal.

Exactly