Steve
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2024 0:39:28 GMT
As the body count builds the problem becomes greater. Absolutely. We're coing up to 14 months now and Israel has been the most efficient recruiting sergeant for terrorism throughout that time.
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 7:01:29 GMT
. . Not surprisingly the backers of the Palestinian Arab Hamas barbarians, the United Nations and its subsidiaries . . Wild claim alert ^ Just what is your evidence for this claim? That many maybe most UN nations oppose the massive and too often indiscriminate bombings in Gaza does not make them Hamas supporters. The disproportionate amount of anti-Israel U.N. resolutions. The U.N. Secretary General's reaction to the October 7th, 2023 massacre of Israelis was to read a speech that sounded like it had been written for him by Hamas, in which he claimed the massacre had not happened in a vacuum. U.N. Anti-Semitic, Anti-Israel bias - “The U.N. and Israel: Key Statistics from UN Watch”: The reader will need to scroll down the webpage to see the text!: unwatch.org/un-israel-key-statistics/The U.N. and its structures have for many years had a built-in pro Palestinian Arab bias. The Palestinian Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favour of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel's one vote. Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:01pm
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 7:04:13 GMT
The two state solution is dead. Netanyahu is pursuing a one state solution. Unfortunately genocide is part of his method to achieve it. We've now seen what the Palestinian Arabs would do with statehood since the failed experiment with allowing them autonomy in Gaza under the Oslo Accords. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:04pm
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Post by RedRum on Nov 25, 2024 7:26:20 GMT
The two state solution is dead. Netanyahu is pursuing a one state solution. Unfortunately genocide is part of his method to achieve it. We've now seen what the Palestinian Arabs would do with statehood since the failed experiment with allowing them autonomy in Gaza under the Oslo Accords. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. What would you consider to be genocide then? Indiscriminate killing of civilians, aid workers and journalists? Destruction of the health care system including the detention, torture and murder of doctors and nurses? IDF soldiers posting videos of their crimes on social media? The use of banned weapons on civilians? What exactly is your definition of genocide?
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Post by RedRum on Nov 25, 2024 8:03:58 GMT
"There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise."
Have you seen the evidence that the ICC saw that made the issuing of arrest warrants against Israeli Leaders?
I thought not.
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Post by vinny on Nov 25, 2024 8:44:48 GMT
The two state solution is dead. Netanyahu is pursuing a one state solution. Unfortunately genocide is part of his method to achieve it. We've now seen what the Palestinian Arabs would do with statehood since the failed experiment with allowing them autonomy in Gaza under the Oslo Accords. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. No, you've seen what Hamas would do. They are not the Palestinians any more than the NSDAP were "Germany". They're a shitty bunch of fascists who got rid of democracy and kept Palestinians oppressed in order to justify their constant warring. And Likud were stupid enough to support them over Fatah. They both worked to prevent peace. A plague on both their houses.
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Steve
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2024 10:20:15 GMT
Wild claim alert ^ Just what is your evidence for this claim? That many maybe most UN nations oppose the massive and too often indiscriminate bombings in Gaza does not make them Hamas supporters. The disproportionate amount of anti-Israel U.N. resolutions. The U.N. Secretary General's reaction to the October 7th, 2023 massacre of Israelis was to read a speech that sounded like it had been written for him by Hamas, in which he claimed the massacre had not happened in a vacuum. U.N. Anti-Semitic, Anti-Israel bias - “The U.N. and Israel: Key Statistics from UN Watch”: The reader will need to scroll down the webpage to see the text!: unwatch.org/un-israel-key-statistics/The U.N. and its structures have for many years had a built-in pro Palestinian Arab bias. The Palestinian Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favour of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel's one vote. All the time Israel continues to illegally colonise the West Bank and the Golan Heights and continues with other illegal actions like shooting journalists then to whine about UN resolutions condemning Israel is just pathetic.
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 16:53:22 GMT
"There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise." Have you seen the evidence that the ICC saw that made the issuing of arrest warrants against Israeli Leaders? I thought not. In order to prove "genocide", intention must be proved. Israel issues warnings to civilians requesting them to leave the intended target area. This is inconsistent with "intention". Contributor "RedRum" inquires if I have seen the evidence. Neither of us have, yet the contributor appears to assume Israel to be guilty. It is for the party alleging crime, to prove it. Robert, Nov 25, 2024 at 11:53pm
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Post by vinny on Nov 25, 2024 17:08:08 GMT
Read the convention.
Illegally displacing an ethnic group is a form of genocide.
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 17:11:48 GMT
The disproportionate amount of anti-Israel U.N. resolutions. The U.N. Secretary General's reaction to the October 7th, 2023 massacre of Israelis was to read a speech that sounded like it had been written for him by Hamas, in which he claimed the massacre had not happened in a vacuum. U.N. Anti-Semitic, Anti-Israel bias - “The U.N. and Israel: Key Statistics from UN Watch”: The reader will need to scroll down the webpage to see the text!: unwatch.org/un-israel-key-statistics/The U.N. and its structures have for many years had a built-in pro Palestinian Arab bias. The Palestinian Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favour of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel's one vote. All the time Israel continues to illegally colonise the West Bank and the Golan Heights and continues with other illegal actions like shooting journalists then to whine about UN resolutions condemning Israel is just pathetic. Contributor "Steve" wrote: "Israel continues to illegally colonise the West Bank and the Golan Heights [...]": The allegation of colonization sources from the U.N.'s resolutions falsely accusing the Jewish people of illegal-occupation of parts (here Judah and Samaria - "West Bank", and the Golan Heights) of the Jewish people's ancestral-homeland. How did the Jewish people become accused of illegal-occupation of parts of their own ancestral-homeland?The U.N. and its structures have for many years had a built-in pro “Palestinian” Arab bias. The “Palestinian” Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favour of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel having one vote. How to immediately end the alleged Israeli Illegal-occupation of its ancestral-land
The falsehood purporting an Israeli illegal-occupation of any part the Jewish ancestral-homeland, comes from the anti-Semitic policies of the United Nations, and which therefore the U.N. should repeal forthwith. An example of a different U.N. anti-Semitic policy subsequently repealed, was the U.N.'s falsehood that Zionism (Jewish nationalism) was form of racism: www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/world/un-repeals-its-75-resolution-equating-zionism-with-racism.htmlOnce the U.N. have repealed their illegal and illogical falsehood purporting an Israeli illegal-occupation, the U.N. should offer an apology to the Jewish people for all the years of the U.N.'s suffocating anti-Semitic trumped-up charge. Accepted international constitutional law is that Laws must not be passed that are intrinsically-unjust that persecute a minority, as are the U.N. decisions against Israel, which falsely-validate the unverifiable-claims of the “Palestinian” Arabs. An example of unjust-laws were the Nuremberg Laws of Nazi Germany which persecuted the Jews. Such U.N. policies are illegal, being in conflict with the international treaty signed by the Israelis and “Palestinian” Arabs - the Oslo Accords which also constitute international law. The Palestinian Arabs are in breach of the Oslo Accords because they: Claim ALL the land, continue terrorism, fire rockets at Israeli cities, and carry out massacre. There has never been any indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of Israel. Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral-homeland. To see that modern Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral-homeland the reader need only consult a map of the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom, which included: Judah and Samaria (which became known since 1948 as the " West Bank" due to Jordanian illegal-occupation); and also included Gaza, and the Golan Heights, Its capital was what is now known as EAST Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpgTherefore just as Israel / the Jewish people logically cannot: “Invade”, or “steal”, or “illegally-settle”, its OWN ancestral-homeland, it also cannot logically “illegally-occupy” or “be a colony on”, its OWN ancestral-homeland. Contributor "Steve" also wrote: "[...] shooting journalists [...]": Israel does not deliberately target journalists, and the contributor also provides for their falsehood: No details, no objective-sources; zero evidence. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 17:20:28 GMT
Read the convention. Illegally displacing an ethnic group is a form of genocide. I assume the contributor refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949: There is no evidence of any breach of the Convention, as: Israel is not in any proper or reasonable status of "Illegal-occupation", the policies of the U.N. being politically-biased, unjust, and incompatible with International law - namely the Oslo Accords. Further, in any event no one has been transferred out of the territory in question. As to evidence therefore, the contributor provides: No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 17:26:13 GMT
We've now seen what the Palestinian Arabs would do with statehood since the failed experiment with allowing them autonomy in Gaza under the Oslo Accords. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. No, you've seen what Hamas would do. They are not the Palestinians any more than the NSDAP were "Germany". They're a shitty bunch of fascists who got rid of democracy and kept Palestinians oppressed in order to justify their constant warring. And Likud were stupid enough to support them over Fatah. They both worked to prevent peace. A plague on both their houses. Contributor "Vinny" wrote: "They [Hamas] are not the Palestinians any more than the NSDAP were "Germany": Yes they are. A survey has been carried out on "Palestinian" Arab views on the October 7, 2023 massacre, with highlights of the results reported by ILTV, Israel Daily News of November 19, 2023: Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 17:40:50 GMT
We've now seen what the Palestinian Arabs would do with statehood since the failed experiment with allowing them autonomy in Gaza under the Oslo Accords. There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel, plausible or otherwise. Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. What would you consider to be genocide then? Indiscriminate killing of civilians, aid workers and journalists? Destruction of the health care system including the detention, torture and murder of doctors and nurses? IDF soldiers posting videos of their crimes on social media? The use of banned weapons on civilians? What exactly is your definition of genocide? Contributor "RedRum" wrote: What would you consider to be genocide then? [...] What exactly is your definition of genocide? The definition of "genocide" to which most people refer is the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide", Article 2 of which requires "intent": www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-prevention-and-punishment-crime-genocideIsrael's warnings to civilians to vacate the immediate combat zone are incompatible with the requirement for "intent" and therefore Israel has not, and is not, committing any "genocide". Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 17:51:40 GMT
As the body count builds the problem becomes greater. Absolutely. We're coing up to 14 months now and Israel has been the most efficient recruiting sergeant for terrorism throughout that time. Not at all. Israel's war of defence and deterrence could not radicalize the Palestinian Arabs further than they already are, as shown in any event by the Hamas massacre of Israelis of 7th October 2023. The Palestinian Arabs are radicalized by their Palestinian Arab education. It is Palestinian Arab policy to weaponize their children; to groom them into becoming terrorists: : Robert
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Post by vinny on Nov 25, 2024 17:54:39 GMT
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