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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2024 13:52:18 GMT
It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Some of what the French resistance did was glorious, some was appalling. Same with the Palestinian resistance. What Hamas did on 7th October was a stain on the history of humanity. It was horrific beyond words. That's my point, we did not call the French resistance a terrorist organisation, in fact we, quite rightly supported them. Well, we supported them while it was in our interests to do so. Many (most?) of the French resistance were communists. 'We' stopped supporting them when they had served their purpose. 'We' didn't continue to airdrop arms into France so that those communists could fight capitalism after Germany was defeated. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 29, 2024 15:19:40 GMT
What terrorist acts are the French Resistance supposed to have done?
Sabotage isn't terrorism, taking out enemy combatants isn't either.
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Post by RedRum on Oct 30, 2024 7:16:18 GMT
What terrorist acts are the French Resistance supposed to have done? Sabotage isn't terrorism, taking out enemy combatants isn't either. My point was that 'some' countries considered that the French Resistance were a terrorist organisation whilst they were engaged in hostilities with an occupying force that incarcerated, tortured, killed and assaulted them for no reason. Many civilians were killed by the FR under the guise of them being German sympathisers, no evidence, no trial, no judge, no verdict just a firing squad. |
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Post by RedRum on Oct 30, 2024 7:19:14 GMT
Further to my point it now appears that Israel has proscribed UNRWA an arm of the UN, as a terrorist organisation and banned them from Israel.
Does that mean they can openly attack a UN organisation and we are supposed to support them?
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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2024 11:24:29 GMT
Yes I pointed that out yesterday. So I'll repeat what I said then . . it really is time for the West to get tough with Israel. But we won't see anything ahead of the US election vote next Thursday |
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Post by Saint on Oct 30, 2024 11:27:34 GMT
The chances of Trump getting tough with Israel are nil to zero.
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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2024 12:18:23 GMT
The chances of Trump getting tough with Israel are nil to zero. Quite |
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Post by Robert on Nov 23, 2024 19:32:22 GMT
[...] what the IDF have done in Gaza is equally as bad as what the Russians did to the city and people of Mariupol in Ukraine, there is no excuse for it what so ever - 42,000 + dead, 70% of which are women and children. On the opposite side of the coin there can be no excuse for what Hamas terrorists did on October 7th 2023, but Netenyahou is been led by far right Jewish extremists, and the IDF have gone far too far .... So yes, I agree, the sooner someone puts a bullet into these people, the better. The alleged Gaza casualty figures to which contributor "ammonite" refers, are unverified and source from Hamas. Not surprisingly the backers of the Palestinian Arab Hamas barbarians, the United Nations and its subsidiaries, seek to validate the Hamas figures. Neither are the figures from Hamas verified from any objective-source, nor are the ones alleged by the United Nations. The alleged figures also do not differentiate between combatants and civilians. . The reader also may be interested to know that although Israel began ground operations in Gaza on 27 October 2023, recently pro Palestinian Arab Hamas-terrorist Media such as France 24, have been showing those figures as updated, in their rolling news, dating it from "October 2023" which fails to make any distinction between the period October 7th to October 27th 2023. Yet "October 2023" is indeed a correction from their previous dating of, guess what, Gaza casualties dating from "October 7th, 2023"! No doubt if asked they would plead "typo", but it was being broadcast for many days before correction. What this shows is that the Media biased against Israel, are happy to accept their fake-news directly from Hamas, not only a biased party, but a terrorist organization who it seems cynically seek to include in their unverified casualty figures those of their combatant barbarian members who carried out the massacre on October 7th, 2023 but died! Robert, Nov 24, 2024 at 2:32am
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Post by Steve on Nov 23, 2024 22:51:53 GMT
. . Not surprisingly the backers of the Palestinian Arab Hamas barbarians, the United Nations and its subsidiaries . . Wild claim alert ^ Just what is your evidence for this claim? That many maybe most UN nations oppose the massive and too often indiscriminate bombings in Gaza does not make them Hamas supporters. |
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Post by vinny on Nov 23, 2024 23:55:30 GMT
There's good and bad in every nation.
Condemn every crime whoever does it.
Doesn't matter if their politics align with mine or not.
A criminal is not my friend or ally.
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Post by Steve on Nov 24, 2024 9:55:08 GMT
Well said
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Post by ammonite on Nov 24, 2024 12:55:23 GMT
[...] what the IDF have done in Gaza is equally as bad as what the Russians did to the city and people of Mariupol in Ukraine, there is no excuse for it what so ever - 42,000 + dead, 70% of which are women and children. On the opposite side of the coin there can be no excuse for what Hamas terrorists did on October 7th 2023, but Netenyahou is been led by far right Jewish extremists, and the IDF have gone far too far .... So yes, I agree, the sooner someone puts a bullet into these people, the better. The alleged Gaza casualty figures to which contributor "ammonite" refers, are unverified and source from Hamas. Not surprisingly the backers of the Palestinian Arab Hamas barbarians, the United Nations and its subsidiaries, seek to validate the Hamas figures. Neither are the figures from Hamas verified from any objective-source, nor are the ones alleged by the United Nations. The alleged figures also do not differentiate between combatants and civilians. . The reader also may be interested to know that although Israel began ground operations in Gaza on 27 October 2023, recently pro Palestinian Arab Hamas-terrorist Media such as France 24, have been showing those figures as updated, in their rolling news, dating it from "October 2023" which fails to make any distinction between the period October 7th to October 27th 2023. Yet "October 2023" is indeed a correction from their previous dating of, guess what, Gaza casualties dating from "October 7th, 2023"! No doubt if asked they would plead "typo", but it was being broadcast for many days before correction. What this shows is that the Media biased against Israel, are happy to accept their fake-news directly from Hamas, not only a biased party, but a terrorist organization who it seems cynically seek to include in their unverified casualty figures those of their combatant barbarian members who carried out the massacre on October 7th, 2023 but died! The official Gaza heath ministry figures of cassuaties are recognised by (1) the government of the United States (2) the United Nations (3) the Red Cross / Red Cresent and (4) most western governments. The images, footage and aerial / satelite pictures speak for themselves, just as they did in Mariupol, Ukraine, vast areas of urban landscape flattened and turned into ruins and heaps of rubble, incuding homes, residential areas, schools, refugee camps. Sentences such as this within your post are nonsensical "pro Palestinian Arab Hamas-terrorist Media such as France 24" You are making an attempt to lump "Pro Palestinian" together with been Pro "Hamas Terrorists", where as in reality most people (including me) are Pro Palestinian, but certainly not Pro Hamas Terrorist. Its a con trick often attempted by those who support the murderous Israeili's in their war crimes which are equaly as deplorable as what anything Hamas have committed. The situation in the ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED Territories are not black and white or binary, its much more complicated and complex, there is only one answer to this almost 80 year old conflict, and that is a two state solution. As regards France 24, a news organisation which I sometimes watch on TV and respect, they, like other honest news organisations must always offer the Counter Argument, the opposite side and play Devils Advocate in order to be objective, and let the viewer form an opinion. |
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Post by vinny on Nov 24, 2024 13:28:39 GMT
The two state solution is dead.
Netanyahu is pursuing a one state solution.
Unfortunately genocide is part of his method to achieve it.
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Post by Steve on Nov 24, 2024 14:22:48 GMT
The two state solution is dead. . . Not dead but unlikely this side of the next US Presidential election. |
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Post by vinny on Nov 24, 2024 15:18:38 GMT
As the body count builds the problem becomes greater.
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