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Post by Zany on Oct 3, 2024 19:37:40 GMT
Yep - in the fifties, people in the UK lived in fear of getting on the wrong side of paramilitary wing of the Church of England You are mixing culture and religion to give a false impression.
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Post by Zany on Oct 3, 2024 19:40:51 GMT
Firstly you are wrong in your assumption of intolerance in Muslim countries, it might be true in a few backward ones, but in most cases it (alcohol etc) are very much tolerated. Secondly, why are you so keen that we copy what you advise is the worst of other countries? So you believe the French and Dutch are doing their worst? To an extent yes. Further these measures are not having the desired effect of suppressing support for right wing extremism.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 19:41:01 GMT
Yep - in the fifties, people in the UK lived in fear of getting on the wrong side of paramilitary wing of the Church of England You are mixing culture and religion to give a false impression. Perhaps Zany you could answer the question I put to Steve who believes I’m far right (he is wrong though) What would your reaction be to a film along the lines of the life of Brian being made called the life of Mo?
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Post by Zany on Oct 3, 2024 19:50:50 GMT
You are mixing culture and religion to give a false impression. Perhaps Zany you could answer the question I put to Steve who believes I’m far right (he is wrong though) What would your reaction be to a film along the lines of the life of Brian being made called the life of Mo? I'll do my best. I like the idea that we in Britain are so decent that we recognise how much such a thing would upset Muslims. And that 'The life of Brian' was only possible because Christianity was a minor and shrinking belief among us. Something that had been mocked without upset for many decades before the film. But as decent nice people we would frown upon a film that's sole purpose is to anger a religious group who still take their religion very seriously. Next. Were someone to produce such a film I would like to think it would be banned as a danger to public safety, just as would a film espousing the greatness of the Holocaust.
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Post by Steve on Oct 3, 2024 19:51:27 GMT
Yep - in the fifties, people in the UK lived in fear of getting on the wrong side of paramilitary wing of the Church of England They still do in Northern Ireland.
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2024 19:55:30 GMT
Bullshit! I knew that if the symbol was of any significance to the Hindu community they would have litigated its being banned. If it wasn't litigated, then it simply didn't matter to them. For all I knew, they wanted to disassociate themselves from the symbol. So, now that we've wasted time on your false premise, let's get down to the real issue: you are quite happy to forbid the right to dress as they please to Muslim women, but not non-Muslim women. NoYou didn’t until you looked that up you didn’t have a clue,so why not admit it? If you feel your time is wasted the feeling is mutual. As for you bullshit comment if you knew that you wouldn’t have waited till the last less than a hour to say so. Look! You took the conversation way off course with false facts. What do you think is needed to counter what happened to that woman who was murdered by her parents?
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Post by Steve on Oct 3, 2024 19:56:31 GMT
Maybe you don't realise we live in the UK and not there. And 'in the UK' was what you were talking about. So do you deny that the Church of England has a long track record of imposing 'its norms in a western democracy'? The very thing you were complaining about. Who takes notice of the Church of England? when the life of Brian was released who was subject to religious threat of death. If in the UK someone decided to make the life of Mo lampooning Mohamed what do you imagine would happen even if the spineless govt didn’t have it banned? So you really didn't get that Life of Brian wasn't about Christ. Anyway I've made my point. That you feel the CofE hasn't a history of oppressing Brits to bend to their ways and somehow imagine other religions are oppressing us just proves you are far right, determined to ban and oppress anything that doesn't fit your idea of 'norm'.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 20:00:06 GMT
Perhaps Zany you could answer the question I put to Steve who believes I’m far right (he is wrong though) What would your reaction be to a film along the lines of the life of Brian being made called the life of Mo? I'll do my best. I like the idea that we in Britain are so decent that we recognise how much such a thing would upset Muslims. And that 'The life of Brian' was only possible because Christianity was a minor and shrinking belief among us. Something that had been mocked without upset for many decades before the film. But as decent nice people we would frown upon a film that's sole purpose is to anger a religious group who still take their religion very seriously. Next. Were someone to produce such a film I would like to think it would be banned as a danger to public safety, just as would a film espousing the greatness of the Holocaust. Well at least you replied. So a film that was made that lampooned Christianity who btw were greater in number than the Moslem community had to take it on the chin and be nice people. However a lampoon on Mohamed you decide is designed to anger another religious group and should be banned,are you serious? I sure Zany were I to meet you in the pub you would be ok to chew the fat with but you like Saint are what I call an illeberal liberal and what you propose epitomises that. That proposing a ban on the burqa is far right just shows the mindset of the so called liberals in this country,you are free to think whatever you like but if it broaches on anything we disapprove of you are far right,not good and are a danger to public safety. I have other reasons I would see it banned I haven’t discussed yet.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 20:04:00 GMT
NoYou didn’t until you looked that up you didn’t have a clue,so why not admit it? If you feel your time is wasted the feeling is mutual. As for you bullshit comment if you knew that you wouldn’t have waited till the last less than a hour to say so. Look! You took the conversation way off course with false facts. What do you think is needed to counter what happened to that woman who was murdered by her parents? No I put a scenario to you which you opposed then looked up and thought now I’ll destroy your argument,you didn’t.
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2024 20:04:31 GMT
I'll do my best. I like the idea that we in Britain are so decent that we recognise how much such a thing would upset Muslims. And that 'The life of Brian' was only possible because Christianity was a minor and shrinking belief among us. Something that had been mocked without upset for many decades before the film. But as decent nice people we would frown upon a film that's sole purpose is to anger a religious group who still take their religion very seriously. Next. Were someone to produce such a film I would like to think it would be banned as a danger to public safety, just as would a film espousing the greatness of the Holocaust. I sure Zany were I to meet you in the pub you would be ok to chew the fat with but you like Saint are what I call an illeberal liberal and what you propose epitomises that. That's fine by me. I was called ten worse things even before breakfast this morning.
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2024 20:04:56 GMT
Look! You took the conversation way off course with false facts. What do you think is needed to counter what happened to that woman who was murdered by her parents? No I put a scenario to you which you opposed then looked up and thought now I’ll destroy your argument,you didn’t. Well, I kinda think I did.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 20:09:40 GMT
Who takes notice of the Church of England? when the life of Brian was released who was subject to religious threat of death. If in the UK someone decided to make the life of Mo lampooning Mohamed what do you imagine would happen even if the spineless govt didn’t have it banned? So you really didn't get that Life of Brian wasn't about Christ. Anyway I've made my point. That you feel the CofE hasn't a history of oppressing Brits to bend to their ways and somehow imagine other religions are oppressing us just proves you are far right, determined to ban and oppress anything that doesn't fit your idea of 'norm'. So you didn’t get that the film was about a bloke that was mistaken for Christ and was a lampoon to much annoyance of Christian groups. And then you jump to the predictable you are far right because you are another illiberal liberal, please point out where I said they are oppressing us to justify your far right comment,what I said was that the burqa was oppressive to Muslim women and still believe that. Please find the post where I said I wanted religious headgear banned because it is oppressing native Brits.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 20:10:54 GMT
I sure Zany were I to meet you in the pub you would be ok to chew the fat with but you like Saint are what I call an illeberal liberal and what you propose epitomises that. That's fine by me. I was called ten worse things even before breakfast this morning. Well you deserve it
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Post by Zany on Oct 3, 2024 20:14:39 GMT
I'll do my best. I like the idea that we in Britain are so decent that we recognise how much such a thing would upset Muslims. And that 'The life of Brian' was only possible because Christianity was a minor and shrinking belief among us. Something that had been mocked without upset for many decades before the film. But as decent nice people we would frown upon a film that's sole purpose is to anger a religious group who still take their religion very seriously. Next. Were someone to produce such a film I would like to think it would be banned as a danger to public safety, just as would a film espousing the greatness of the Holocaust. Well at least you replied.So a film that was made that lampooned Christianity who btw were greater in number than the Moslem community had to take it on the chin and be nice people. However a lampoon on Mohamed you decide is designed to anger another religious group and should be banned,are you serious? I sure Zany were I to meet you in the pub you would be ok to chew the fat with but you like Saint are what I call an illeberal liberal and what you propose epitomises that. That proposing a ban on the burqa is far right just shows the mindset of the so called liberals in this country,you are free to think whatever you like but if it broaches on anything we disapprove of you are far right,not good and are a danger to public safety. I have other reasons I would see it banned I haven’t discussed yet. I always try. IMO its what a forum is about. On the rest of your response, I gave my opinion very clearly and it is not the twisted version you wish to make it. I do think banning the burka was just populism, a vain hope to show the public that government hears them while doing nothing about the real problem of ever increasing population. I am unaware of any mass support for the banning among the general public.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 20:22:06 GMT
Well at least you replied.So a film that was made that lampooned Christianity who btw were greater in number than the Moslem community had to take it on the chin and be nice people. However a lampoon on Mohamed you decide is designed to anger another religious group and should be banned,are you serious? I sure Zany were I to meet you in the pub you would be ok to chew the fat with but you like Saint are what I call an illeberal liberal and what you propose epitomises that. That proposing a ban on the burqa is far right just shows the mindset of the so called liberals in this country,you are free to think whatever you like but if it broaches on anything we disapprove of you are far right,not good and are a danger to public safety. I have other reasons I would see it banned I haven’t discussed yet. I always try. IMO its what a forum is about. On the rest of your response, I gave my opinion very clearly and it is not the twisted version you wish to make it. I do think banning the burka was just populism, a vain hope to show the public that government hears them while doing nothing about the real problem of ever increasing population. I am unaware of any mass support for the banning among the general public. Well I’m sorry you feel I twisted my intention was to show an alternative view not an insult. The reason you feel there is no support is that ordinary reasonable people are genuinely feared to voice their support especially given pronouncements by the present administration.
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