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Post by foldart on Oct 5, 2024 23:00:13 GMT
No I argue when I’m misrepresented and as far as word games do you ever read what Steve posts at times? The only bias indicated is that invented in your own mind. Yet any perceived misrepresentation could have been easily dispelled by answering my post, No it wouldn’t you only perceive what I post as word games perhaps trolling as Steve said. When he alleges things around my saying what I do because of my weak (religious) faith when I have none and further saying this any religion implies more than one which even you must know is false because it was only the Muslim faith mentioned by me and it’s not hate but disdain for Stone Age attitudes like the burka dress code. So when presented by two clear falsehoods you only see my objections as word games and his as fair comment. Clearly by this and other things you and he have exchanged are as one on this,all I will say is very many people of differing political persuasions all say the same of him and his reply that they are all losers and trolls should make any reasonable mind think are they all losers and trolls? If he is given his head here as he was at the last forum this place is doomed to failure he’ll drive out any dissenting voices to his word games. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 5, 2024 23:08:23 GMT
You what? Who are you and what are you bitter about with this sad cross forum sniping?
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Post by Zany on Oct 6, 2024 7:30:54 GMT
Yet any perceived misrepresentation could have been easily dispelled by answering my post, No it wouldn’t you only perceive what I post as word games perhaps trolling as Steve said. When he alleges things around my saying what I do because of my weak (religious) faith when I have none and further saying this any religion implies more than one which even you must know is false because it was only the Muslim faith mentioned by me and it’s not hate but disdain for Stone Age attitudes like the burka dress code. So when presented by two clear falsehoods you only see my objections as word games and his as fair comment. Clearly by this and other things you and he have exchanged are as one on this,all I will say is very many people of differing political persuasions all say the same of him and his reply that they are all losers and trolls should make any reasonable mind think are they all losers and trolls? If he is given his head here as he was at the last forum this place is doomed to failure he’ll drive out any dissenting voices to his word games. Well as you find it so hard to explain your position and I and others constantly misunderstand you, I think it best if I stop responding to you. As-salamu alaykum |
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Post by Orac on Oct 6, 2024 8:43:25 GMT
I would be extremely glad for you to tell me I'm wrong and you are happy to invite them to live among us. Simply answering this would clarify any misunderstanding between us.
I also believe, for reasons already given, it would feed into a Far Right narrative. I'm not intending any implicit criticism of your position, but you should be aware this is a very dangerous reason to do (or not do) anything. Saying what you see as true, supports all correct narratives and avoiding saying what is true supports false ones. You are still intervening |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 19:43:38 GMT
I also believe, for reasons already given, it would feed into a Far Right narrative. I'm not intending any implicit criticism of your position, but you should be aware this is a very dangerous reason to do (or not do) anything. Saying what you see as true, supports all correct narratives and avoiding saying what is true supports false ones. You are still intervening True, but how do you avoid being judgmental or nasty while being entirely truthful? One of those unsolvable questions of the universe, only sometimes is it possible. Or you have to be the world's most skilled diplomat |
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Post by Zany on Oct 9, 2024 20:28:29 GMT
I'm not intending any implicit criticism of your position, but you should be aware this is a very dangerous reason to do (or not do) anything. Saying what you see as true, supports all correct narratives and avoiding saying what is true supports false ones. You are still intervening True, but how do you avoid being judgmental or nasty while being entirely truthful? One of those unsolvable questions of the universe, only sometimes is it possible. Or you have to be the world's most skilled diplomat I think the secret is compromise. You can hold your position to the ends of the earth and they theirs but the result is zilch. For both sides to win something they need to give something to the other side. Sometimes it doesn't work, but the alternative never works. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 21:30:38 GMT
If one side says that the earth is flat and the other side says it is round, you can't compromise by saying it's an oval shape, that would make you both wrong.
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Post by Zany on Oct 9, 2024 21:31:55 GMT
If one side says that the earth is flat and the other side says it is round, you can't compromise by saying it's an oval shape, that would make you both wrong. But that rarely happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 21:33:57 GMT
Right, it's an extreme analogy to make a point. A lot of people make points I can't agree with in good conscience so I'm not going to condemn anyone and will instead try to highlight the good points of others and of things where possible
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Post by Steve on Oct 9, 2024 21:44:34 GMT
True, but how do you avoid being judgmental or nasty while being entirely truthful? One of those unsolvable questions of the universe, only sometimes is it possible. Or you have to be the world's most skilled diplomat I think the secret is compromise. You can hold your position to the ends of the earth and they theirs but the result is zilch. For both sides to win something they need to give something to the other side. Sometimes it doesn't work, but the alternative never works. I'd say that compromise shouldn't be on compromising the truth but in compromising how much you insist is talked about or even dealt with. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 21:48:36 GMT
Compromising when it comes to peace, to avoid war is something that should always be done
When people are dying and suffering is needlessly occurring, there should be some form of compromise
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Post by Amadan on Oct 21, 2024 8:36:04 GMT
the far right is an invention in the labour parties imagination. Labour have now moved so far to the right themselves that everyone else is classed as far right..
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Post by Orac on Oct 21, 2024 17:26:10 GMT
I'm not intending any implicit criticism of your position, but you should be aware this is a very dangerous reason to do (or not do) anything. Saying what you see as true, supports all correct narratives and avoiding saying what is true supports false ones. You are still intervening True, but how do you avoid being judgmental or nasty while being entirely truthful? One of those unsolvable questions of the universe, only sometimes is it possible. Or you have to be the world's most skilled diplomat If you tell the truth you wont be likely that popular.. There is discretion (knowing when truth matters more than being nice), but there is also the danger of being manipulated to be discrete.. There are lots of routes to being evil lol |
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