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Post by Zany on Oct 3, 2024 21:06:02 GMT
I always try. IMO its what a forum is about. On the rest of your response, I gave my opinion very clearly and it is not the twisted version you wish to make it. I do think banning the burka was just populism, a vain hope to show the public that government hears them while doing nothing about the real problem of ever increasing population. I am unaware of any mass support for the banning among the general public. Well I’m sorry you feel I twisted my intention was to show an alternative view not an insult. The reason you feel there is no support is that ordinary reasonable people are genuinely feared to voice their support especially given pronouncements by the present administration. You are fully entitled to your opinion, just don't try and misrepresent mine. I disagree with you on reasonable people. I believe a majority want immigration severely reduced as they feel both the speed of change is too high and that they are losing well paid jobs to foreigners. I do not believe many are bothered about the burka, the Turban or even the tie dye tea shirt.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 21:23:10 GMT
Well I’m sorry you feel I twisted my intention was to show an alternative view not an insult. The reason you feel there is no support is that ordinary reasonable people are genuinely feared to voice their support especially given pronouncements by the present administration. You are fully entitled to your opinion, just don't try and misrepresent mine. I disagree with you on reasonable people. I believe a majority want immigration severely reduced as they feel both the speed of change is too high and that they are losing well paid jobs to foreigners. I do not believe many are bothered about the burka, the Turban or even the tie dye tea shirt. And you yours though I’m not sure why you think I misrepresented yours some of that post was a general comment regards being labelled far right I don’t recall you saying I was far right whatever the case I’m anything but anyway to other observations why I would ban the burqa. The burqa imo is designed to oppress females and control them. Within some of the Muslim community it normalises viewing women as second class humans and this translated in to the abuse suffered by young white girls who were considered even less than second class and to be used and abused. They were failed by the criminal justice system system that was paralysed by the fear of being accused of racism,that is fact ask Maggie Oliver. update the turban is associated with the Sikhs a warrior race,I find no problem with Sikhs.
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Post by Steve on Oct 3, 2024 21:38:35 GMT
So you really didn't get that Life of Brian wasn't about Christ. Anyway I've made my point. That you feel the CofE hasn't a history of oppressing Brits to bend to their ways and somehow imagine other religions are oppressing us just proves you are far right, determined to ban and oppress anything that doesn't fit your idea of 'norm'. So you didn’t get that the film was about a bloke that was mistaken for Christ and was a lampoon to much annoyance of Christian groups. And then you jump to the predictable you are far right because you are another illiberal liberal, please point out where I said they are oppressing us to justify your far right comment,what I said was that the burqa was oppressive to Muslim women and still believe that. Please find the post where I said I wanted religious headgear banned because it is oppressing native Brits. You've dug your own hole and now you can't remember doing it Just look at your posts on pages 7 and 8. If you didn't mean to convey you wanted the burka banned then you really should post more carefully. As for Life of Brian it seems your faith is so weak that it cannot tolerate a lampooning of the follies of the time when Christ lived.
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Post by Zany on Oct 3, 2024 21:40:30 GMT
You are fully entitled to your opinion, just don't try and misrepresent mine. I disagree with you on reasonable people. I believe a majority want immigration severely reduced as they feel both the speed of change is too high and that they are losing well paid jobs to foreigners. I do not believe many are bothered about the burka, the Turban or even the tie dye tea shirt. And you yours though I’m not sure why you think I misrepresented yours some of that post was a general comment regards being labelled far right I don’t recall you saying I was far right whatever the case I’m anything but anyway to other observations why I would ban the burqa. The burqa imo is designed to oppress females and control them. Within some of the Muslim community it normalises viewing women as second class humans and this translated in to the abuse suffered by young white girls who were considered even less than second class and to be used and abused. They were failed by the criminal justice system system that was paralysed by the fear of being accused of racism,that is fact ask Maggie Oliver. update the turban is associated with the Sikhs a warrior race,I find no problem with Sikhs. To my memory I have not labelled you anything. Yes you already gave your views on the Burka, I do not share them. I don't think it needs a costume for men to suppress women. Nor do I sign up to the idea that the police were paralysed by fear of racism. My own belief from what I've read is that they were involved with the whole affair in a very unpleasant way. But I doubt we will ever know for certain.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 21:53:16 GMT
So you didn’t get that the film was about a bloke that was mistaken for Christ and was a lampoon to much annoyance of Christian groups. And then you jump to the predictable you are far right because you are another illiberal liberal, please point out where I said they are oppressing us to justify your far right comment,what I said was that the burqa was oppressive to Muslim women and still believe that. Please find the post where I said I wanted religious headgear banned because it is oppressing native Brits. You've dug your own hole and now you can't remember doing it Just look at your posts on pages 7 and 8. If you didn't mean to convey you wanted the burka banned then you really should post more carefully. As for Life of Brian it seems your faith is so weak that it cannot tolerate a lampooning of the follies of the time when Christ lived. What are you rambling about,I don’t have any faith I’m a non believer,yes I do want the burqa banned but not for the reasons you made up which I didn’t say. And you yours though I’m not sure why you think I misrepresented yours some of that post was a general comment regards being labelled far right I don’t recall you saying I was far right whatever the case I’m anything but anyway to other observations why I would ban the burqa. The burqa imo is designed to oppress females and control them. Within some of the Muslim community it normalises viewing women as second class humans and this translated in to the abuse suffered by young white girls who were considered even less than second class and to be used and abused. They were failed by the criminal justice system system that was paralysed by the fear of being accused of racism,that is fact ask Maggie Oliver. update the turban is associated with the Sikhs a warrior race,I find no problem with Sikhs. To my memory I have not labelled you anything. Yes you already gave your views on the Burka, I do not share them. I don't think it needs a costume for men to suppress women. Nor do I sign up to the idea that the police were paralysed by fear of racism. My own belief from what I've read is that they were involved with the whole affair in a very unpleasant way. But I doubt we will ever know for certain. Have you read any of Maggie Oliver's account this was a review
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Post by Steve on Oct 3, 2024 22:09:07 GMT
Seems foldart knows nothing about centuries of sexual abuse of children carried out by Church of England and Catholic insitutiuons
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Post by Zany on Oct 3, 2024 22:10:10 GMT
I have heard many tales. Including a father who was arrested for trying to forcibly rescue his own daughter from the gangs.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 22:18:07 GMT
Seems foldart knows nothing about centuries of sexual abuse of children carried out by Church of England and Catholic insitutiuons Of course I have but nobody is afraid to talk of that and I of course don’t have to make things up people haven’t said to make a point.
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Post by Steve on Oct 3, 2024 22:24:45 GMT
Seems foldart knows nothing about centuries of sexual abuse of children carried out by Church of England and Catholic insitutiuons Of course I have but nobody is afraid to talk of that and I of course don’t have to make things up people haven’t said to make a point. But you've spent page after page preaching hate of any religion you don't see as British and with bugger all objective evidence to show they are 'worse' than our home grown religions. And yet you deny you are far right? Well you've convinced no one.
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Post by foldart on Oct 3, 2024 22:45:56 GMT
Of course I have but nobody is afraid to talk of that and I of course don’t have to make things up people haven’t said to make a point. But you've spent page after page preaching hate of any religion you don't see as British and with bugger all objective evidence to show they are 'worse' than our home grown religions. And yet you deny you are far right? Well you've convinced no one. Making things up again Steve,looks like your copyright when I said I have no problem with Sikhs that’s hate is it,when I say that the burqa is used to control and demean Muslim women that’s hating those women is it. You said I wanted the burka banned because I’d posted that I and I quote you somehow imagine other religions are oppressing us just proves you are far right,
Ive said the burqa oppresses Muslim women and asked you to quote where I said the burka or Muslim religion oppresses us,you pull out of nowhere that my faith is so weak when I have never posted about having any faith because I have none. You just invent things including far right to justify your position which imo is totally dishonest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 1:32:47 GMT
There's nothing wrong with being far right
The far right are patriots and honourable nationalists who feel they are protecting their country from worse
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 1:33:51 GMT
The Catholics and Protestants in the main are good people who are charitable and help others. While I am neither of those denominations, it's clear they have done much good around the world
To attack them constantly and is very undue. The same is true for Muslims who practice charity and help untold millions
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 6:06:03 GMT
Why are you making things up,no mention of a tattoo (which in any case could be hidden) I was referring as I guess you know a swastika in the same form as a crucifix. A swastika is a swastika. Who cares whether it's a tattoo or a badge or anything else. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no comparison between a swastika and a crucifix. IIRC they use it in India and elsewhere as an ancient symbol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 6:07:04 GMT
It's pretty unlikely. Supposing he didn't. Where is he? He took his own life. That bars you access to heaven in some Christian sects like Catholicism. We don't know what happened, he may have gone to heaven regardless, miracles happen
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Post by Zany on Oct 4, 2024 6:23:49 GMT
Seems foldart knows nothing about centuries of sexual abuse of children carried out by Church of England and Catholic insitutiuons Of course I have but nobody is afraid to talk of that and I of course don’t have to make things up people haven’t said to make a point. The bit you miss is that people don't also say Christians are bad because of what a few Christians did, which appears to be your position. Neither do people imply that abuse reflects an attitude or characteristic of all Christians
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