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Post by foldart on Sept 29, 2024 10:21:21 GMT
Well to be more precise we the public were as usual the losers in the long term,ill served by those out for short term gain despite their claim they were doing the best for the country.
You may laugh but the last memorable pm for me doing what was right for the country was Harold Wilson when he steadfastly resisted the US dragging us in to the Vietnamese conflict oh and Callaghan for quietly sending a nuclear sub which warned the Argentinians off instead of virtually inviting them to attack and making political capital out of it.
Anyway yours?
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Post by Saint on Sept 29, 2024 10:33:04 GMT
Interesting. I wasn't aware of the above. I like the sound of Wilberforce (though, you probably meant within living memory). Sounds like a bit of a prude, but wasn't everyone back then?
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Post by foldart on Sept 29, 2024 11:07:15 GMT
Interesting. I wasn't aware of the above. I like the sound of Wilberforce (though, you probably meant within living memory). Sounds like a bit of a prude, but wasn't everyone back then? Yes living memory and a time when people did really resign when they failed for whatever reason,this country has been blighted by short termism which has brought us to where we are now with the highest energy prices in the world that and an nhs ruined by political ideology. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 29, 2024 11:09:33 GMT
Interesting. I wasn't aware of the above. I like the sound of Wilberforce (though, you probably meant within living memory). Sounds like a bit of a prude, but wasn't everyone back then? Yes living memory and a time when people did really resign when they failed for whatever reason,this country has been blighted by short termism which has brought us to where we are now with the highest energy prices in the world that and an nhs ruined by political ideology. If resigning is a virtue, we'll be forced to respect Cameron. No thanks! |
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Post by foldart on Sept 29, 2024 11:10:43 GMT
Yes living memory and a time when people did really resign when they failed for whatever reason,this country has been blighted by short termism which has brought us to where we are now with the highest energy prices in the world that and an nhs ruined by political ideology. If resigning is a virtue, we'll be forced to admire Cameron. No thanks! Well he really just ran away because he didn’t get what he wanted |
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Post by Saint on Sept 29, 2024 11:12:17 GMT
If resigning is a virtue, we'll be forced to admire Cameron. No thanks! Well he really just ran away because he didn’t get what he wanted Do you think he should have stayed? |
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Post by foldart on Sept 29, 2024 11:33:20 GMT
Well he really just ran away because he didn’t get what he wanted Do you think he should have stayed? To be honest he should never have been elected. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 29, 2024 11:35:01 GMT
Do you think he should have stayed? To be honest he should never have been elected. Probably. But should he have resigned? |
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Post by foldart on Sept 29, 2024 11:54:20 GMT
To be honest he should never have been elected. Probably. But should he have resigned? He called a referendum,didn’t like the reply but if he had any morals (which he hasn’t) he should’ve seen it through whether he liked or not,he didn’t so resigned. If you're asking me did he have any higher moral instinct that caused him to go no he didn’t which means I’m glad he went because he’s another in a long line of carpetbaggers which continues to the here and now. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2024 22:01:52 GMT
He was making noises about resigning even before the referendum vote. But the result and the abysmal campaign he led were not disconnected and that made him and Osborne untenable as senior statesmen.
So he wa right to resign, no dark motive he just knew he couldn't commmand the house any more.
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2024 22:03:59 GMT
Well to be more precise we the public were as usual the losers in the long term,ill served by those out for short term gain despite their claim they were doing the best for the country. You may laugh but the last memorable pm for me doing what was right for the country was Harold Wilson when he steadfastly resisted the US dragging us in to the Vietnamese conflict oh and Callaghan for quietly sending a nuclear sub which warned the Argentinians off instead of virtually inviting them to attack and making political capital out of it. Anyway yours? I liked Wilson but he so effed up that 1970 election and was a shadow of himself when he got re-elected. But he was a leader. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 23:56:34 GMT
They all probably were doing what they thought best for the country and weren't working for their own gain, what they thought was best at the time with the information they had
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Post by foldart on Sept 30, 2024 4:00:13 GMT
They all probably were doing what they thought best for the country and weren't working for their own gain, what they thought was best at the time with the information they had Oh blimey borgr0 you think Bliar wasn’t working for his own gain and doing what he thought best? The man who misled parliament because he wanted to play cowboys and Indians with Bush,desperate to be deputy sheriff in the posse,well a lynch mob actually. And the result he’s a multimillionaire and has an institute,and the fools of other parties still hang on his words today. Those two embarked on a war with no plan of what would happen post war other than Bush’s desire to finish off what he thought his father didn’t. And we are where we are today because of that,no plan,untold misery across the Middle East,the laughable Arab spring and heightened terrorism not to mention the deaths of so many western military. Add to that the subsequent movement of people all based on the vanity of two men seeking glory and wealth and thinking of that it lingers today we have a Home Secretary who backed Bliar and was proud to do but then tried to backtrack years later. And you think these people do what they thought best,if we had politicians like that we’d have more long term policy,a safe and secure system of energy provision instead of where we are relying on others paying the highest prices in the world and now being held to ransom by millibeans fantasy. An nhs that worked instead of one ruined by political football. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2024 5:11:13 GMT
Yes.
He was doing the best he could to make the country better, no human is perfect
Same for Clement Attlee
Same for Boris Johnson
Same for Disraeli
Same for Liz Truss
Same for Jeremy Corbyn if he had gotten elected too
And same for Nigel Farage too, if he becomes PM
They just think about things differently to others, that's all
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Post by Saint on Sept 30, 2024 13:04:00 GMT
They all probably were doing what they thought best for the country and weren't working for their own gain, what they thought was best at the time with the information they had Oh blimey borgr0 you think Bliar wasn’t working for his own gain and doing what he thought best? The man who misled parliament because he wanted to play cowboys and Indians with Bush,desperate to be deputy sheriff in the posse,well a lynch mob actually. And the result he’s a multimillionaire and has an institute,and the fools of other parties still hang on his words today. Those two embarked on a war with no plan of what would happen post war other than Bush’s desire to finish off what he thought his father didn’t. And we are where we are today because of that,no plan,untold misery across the Middle East,the laughable Arab spring and heightened terrorism not to mention the deaths of so many western military. Add to that the subsequent movement of people all based on the vanity of two men seeking glory and wealth and thinking of that it lingers today we have a Home Secretary who backed Bliar and was proud to do but then tried to backtrack years later. And you think these people do what they thought best,if we had politicians like that we’d have more long term policy,a safe and secure system of energy provision instead of where we are relying on others paying the highest prices in the world and now being held to ransom by millibeans fantasy. An nhs that worked instead of one ruined by political football. How do you know Blair knew whatever it is he is supposed to have known? This isn't a challenge - I genuinely know practically nothing about this. This claim keeps popping up. I'm just curious to know what it's based on. |
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