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Post by foldart on Sept 23, 2024 21:09:17 GMT
Cut price health care, just like the Pcso probably nice people but bloody useless we now have physician associates,might as well have witch doctors.
You are not even informed they’re not real doctors.
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Post by Saint on Sept 24, 2024 7:58:49 GMT
Cut price health care, just like the Pcso probably nice people but bloody useless we now have physician associates,might as well have witch doctors. You are not even informed they’re not real doctors. It's far from ideal, but it must be better than nothing. I suppose it depends on how closely they're supervised by the senior doctor. If more 'real' doctors are required, universities could lower their admission standards and relax their qualification requirements. But would that produce something better?
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Post by foldart on Sept 24, 2024 8:14:46 GMT
Cut price health care, just like the Pcso probably nice people but bloody useless we now have physician associates,might as well have witch doctors. You are not even informed they’re not real doctors. It's far from ideal, but it must be better than nothing. I suppose it depends on how closely they're supervised by the senior doctor. If more 'real' doctors are required, universities could lower their admission standards and relax their qualification requirements. But would that produce something better? Better than nothing? Well if you end up dead as a result your family might disagree. And no lowering the standards is not the answer,doctors are leaving this country in significant numbers you have to ask why?
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Post by Saint on Sept 24, 2024 8:16:55 GMT
It's far from ideal, but it must be better than nothing. I suppose it depends on how closely they're supervised by the senior doctor. If more 'real' doctors are required, universities could lower their admission standards and relax their qualification requirements. But would that produce something better? Better than nothing? Well if you end up dead as a result your family might disagree. And no lowering the standards is not the answer,doctors are leaving this country in significant numbers you have to ask why? Yes, of course. If you end up dead, your family will disagree. On the other hand, if your life is saved because you're given an earlier diagnosis than otherwise would have been possible, they will agree.
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Post by Steve on Sept 24, 2024 8:19:29 GMT
They're leaving because the Tories thought they should not be paid properly for their effort and talent.
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Post by Steve on Sept 24, 2024 8:26:10 GMT
Cut price health care, just like the Pcso probably nice people but bloody useless we now have physician associates,might as well have witch doctors. You are not even informed they’re not real doctors. I assume you're referring to the case of Emily Chesterton who died in 2022 and the Daily Misery has raised again this week www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66211103One death, very sad and should not have occurred but medicine isn't and can't ever be 100.0000% perfect. The actual truth is the lady died of a blood clot.
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Post by equivocal on Sept 24, 2024 8:41:01 GMT
Cut price health care, just like the Pcso probably nice people but bloody useless we now have physician associates,might as well have witch doctors. You are not even informed they’re not real doctors. It strikes me that for general diagnoses and prescribing the BCh part of a doctor's qualification is unnecessary. I think, then, the idea is sound enough.
Whether the calibre of the people admitted to the courses is set properly or whether the courses are sufficiently rigorous, I wouldn't know.
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Post by foldart on Sept 24, 2024 8:47:26 GMT
Cut price health care, just like the Pcso probably nice people but bloody useless we now have physician associates,might as well have witch doctors. You are not even informed they’re not real doctors. It strikes me that for general diagnoses and prescribing the BCh part of a doctor's qualification is unnecessary. I think, then, the idea is sound enough.
Whether the calibre of the people admitted to the courses is set properly or whether the courses are sufficiently rigorous, I wouldn't know.
Well I would prefer a doctor having more knowledge and training making a diagnosis and shouldn’t people be informed it’s not a doctor they’re seeing as I believe is a common complaint that they’re not told.
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Post by equivocal on Sept 24, 2024 8:52:22 GMT
It strikes me that for general diagnoses and prescribing the BCh part of a doctor's qualification is unnecessary. I think, then, the idea is sound enough.
Whether the calibre of the people admitted to the courses is set properly or whether the courses are sufficiently rigorous, I wouldn't know.
Well I would prefer a doctor having more knowledge and training making a diagnosis and shouldn’t people be informed it’s not a doctor they’re seeing as I believe is a common complaint that they’re not told. As I said, I don't know if the training is adequate, but I don't see a lot of point in them being trained as surgeons. I agree patients should be made aware in the same way as if they are seeing, say, a nurse practitioner.
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Post by foldart on Sept 24, 2024 8:53:59 GMT
From the bma website.
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Post by equivocal on Sept 24, 2024 9:11:12 GMT
If the associates are carrying out functions beyond their competence, then clearly an increased risk to patients is created. I appear to be repeating myself, but if the role is properly defined and properly put into practice, the idea appears to be sound.
Again repeating myself, I don't have the knowledge of course content or how the associates are employed in clinical settings to form an opinion, and accept what the BMA says.
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Post by foldart on Sept 24, 2024 9:46:52 GMT
Tbh. Until I read the BMA link I wasn’t aware they have associate anaesthetists too.
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Post by foldart on Sept 24, 2024 10:04:32 GMT
Cut price health care, just like the Pcso probably nice people but bloody useless we now have physician associates,might as well have witch doctors. You are not even informed they’re not real doctors. I assume you're referring to the case of Emily Chesterton who died in 2022 and the Daily Misery has raised again this week www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66211103One death, very sad and should not have occurred but medicine isn't and can't ever be 100.0000% perfect. The actual truth is the lady died of a blood clot. Not really I was more concerned that people aren’t being informed in this example though it does seem to me services are being farmed out to those with insufficient skills to paper over the cracks and in some cases endanger the physical and or mental safety of the public. It doesn’t just end there with police and nhs there are now social worker associates.
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Post by foldart on Sept 24, 2024 10:46:43 GMT
If the associates are carrying out functions beyond their competence, then clearly an increased risk to patients is created. I appear to be repeating myself, but if the role is properly defined and properly put into practice, the idea appears to be sound.
Again repeating myself, I don't have the knowledge of course content or how the associates are employed in clinical settings to form an opinion, and accept what the BMA says.
Well tbh I posted that not as a contradiction to what you posted was merely for the information of anyone looking at the thread.
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Post by equivocal on Sept 24, 2024 11:05:01 GMT
If the associates are carrying out functions beyond their competence, then clearly an increased risk to patients is created. I appear to be repeating myself, but if the role is properly defined and properly put into practice, the idea appears to be sound.
Again repeating myself, I don't have the knowledge of course content or how the associates are employed in clinical settings to form an opinion, and accept what the BMA says.
Well tbh I posted that not as a contradiction to what you posted was merely for the information of anyone looking at the thread. Some posters reply without quoting or tagging, so if I got the wrong end of the stick, my apologies.
As a general principle, though, do you think the idea of associates could be made to work?
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