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Post by equivocal on Sept 18, 2024 19:18:06 GMT
I agree we must look at every version of the news to get a clear picture. I listen to everything form the BBC to Al jazeera. So I must question why you only link news from companies who reflect a certain view? How many links have I posted,that one is an independent news site referenced by the FSU . But you’ve got me banged to rights I am in fact only here to promote the politics of the Edl and Britain first. A bit more effort and you might unseat the chief gammon here, Monte.  |
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Post by Saint on Sept 18, 2024 19:19:17 GMT
It will depend on the context. We know what the context was with Jones. In that situation, it is clearly an incitement to kill. WE don't know the context, you want the context to be incitement to murder because you find her views abhorrent. I also think such views are abhorrent, but I don't think saying I wish you were dead is a death threat. What? I'm talking about Ricky Jones. Of course we know the context. Nor do I think saying I wish you were dead is a death threat. I do think that standing up in front of a crowd and saying we should slit their throats and get rid of them is incitement to murder, though. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 18, 2024 19:20:11 GMT
How many links have I posted,that one is an independent news site referenced by the FSU . But you’ve got me banged to rights I am in fact only here to promote the politics of the Edl and Britain first. A bit more effort and you might unseat the chief gammon here, Monte. Why haven't you answered my legal question in the Trump thread, you horrible man?! |
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Post by equivocal on Sept 18, 2024 19:22:14 GMT
A bit more effort and you might unseat the chief gammon here, Monte. Why haven't you answered my legal question in the Trump thread, you horrible man?! You're on ignore for calling Monte a gammon! |
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Post by Zany on Sept 18, 2024 19:33:05 GMT
I agree we must look at every version of the news to get a clear picture. I listen to everything form the BBC to Al jazeera. So I must question why you only link news from companies who reflect a certain view? How many links have I posted,that one is an independent news site referenced by the FSU . But you’ve got me banged to rights I am in fact only here to promote the politics of the Edl and Britain first. By all means link other views on the subject. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 18, 2024 19:36:00 GMT
WE don't know the context, you want the context to be incitement to murder because you find her views abhorrent. I also think such views are abhorrent, but I don't think saying I wish you were dead is a death threat. What? I'm talking about Ricky Jones. Of course we know the context. Nor do I think saying I wish you were dead is a death threat. I do think that standing up in front of a crowd and saying we should slit their throats and get rid of them is incitement to murder, though. Sorry Saint I'm confusing who we are talking about. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 18, 2024 20:12:48 GMT
Why haven't you answered my legal question in the Trump thread, you horrible man?! You're on ignore for calling Monte a gammon! No worries Equivocal. I've just messaged his pager... |
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Post by Zany on Sept 18, 2024 20:36:27 GMT
You're on ignore for calling Monte a gammon! No worries Equivocal. I've just messaged his pager... With an Alphanumeric code? |
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Post by Steve on Sept 18, 2024 21:20:22 GMT
Give the utterer a spell in jail to learn not to recklessly gob off in future. This whole 'he was just being reckless, we shouldn't really punish him' idea is just so wrong. It doesn't work for drink or dangerous driving and it shouldn't work either for encouraging others to kill. We rarely jail anyone for drink driving or even dangerous driving. We do when they kill someone |
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Post by Zany on Sept 19, 2024 6:21:09 GMT
We rarely jail anyone for drink driving or even dangerous driving. We do when they kill someone Yes. So if a persons words were shown to have lead to the death of someone, then they should face imprisonment. But we don't imprison drink drivers because their actions might have resulted in a death. |
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Post by equivocal on Sept 19, 2024 7:41:45 GMT
We do when they kill someone Yes. So if a persons words were shown to have lead to the death of someone, then they should face imprisonment. But we don't imprison drink drivers because their actions might have resulted in a death. I think if someone's words are intended to incite homicide, then they should be sent to prison. I think if those words are uttered recklessly, then it's a judgement call as to whether there was an offence.
I believe Steve was suggesting a form of strict liability like, say, driving without insurance (no need for intent to be guilty), not comparing driving penalties with those for incitement.
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Post by Steve on Sept 19, 2024 8:28:07 GMT
We do when they kill someone Yes. So if a persons words were shown to have lead to the death of someone, then they should face imprisonment. But we don't imprison drink drivers because their actions might have resulted in a death.  fair point. FWIW I actually know (not a friend) someone that was imprisoned for drink driving but not sure how common that is. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 19, 2024 20:47:58 GMT
Yes. So if a persons words were shown to have lead to the death of someone, then they should face imprisonment. But we don't imprison drink drivers because their actions might have resulted in a death. I think if someone's words are intended to incite homicide, then they should be sent to prison. I think if those words are uttered recklessly, then it's a judgement call as to whether there was an offence.
I believe Steve was suggesting a form of strict liability like, say, driving without insurance (no need for intent to be guilty), not comparing driving penalties with those for incitement.
Yes I believe you are right, but I was disagreeing with it. Speaking out of term and ranting in anger are very human traits. I am very wary of taking such utterances as intent. |
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 19, 2024 20:53:52 GMT
I think if someone's words are intended to incite homicide, then they should be sent to prison. I think if those words are uttered recklessly, then it's a judgement call as to whether there was an offence.
I believe Steve was suggesting a form of strict liability like, say, driving without insurance (no need for intent to be guilty), not comparing driving penalties with those for incitement.
Yes I believe you are right, but I was disagreeing with it. Speaking out of term and ranting in anger are very human traits. I am very wary of taking such utterances as intent. A councillor should know better. At the very least he should step down. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 19, 2024 21:15:22 GMT
Yes I believe you are right, but I was disagreeing with it. Speaking out of term and ranting in anger are very human traits. I am very wary of taking such utterances as intent. A councillor should know better. At the very least he should step down. Yes I agree, the conversation keeps switching between the principle and the personal. |
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