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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2024 20:47:01 GMT
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Post by Zany on Sept 6, 2024 7:14:54 GMT
Agreed, Starmers desire to keep Labour looking good by constantly telling us what a shit storm they inherited is having an effect on economic growth. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 20:58:24 GMT
It's probably worse than that. All of us on this forum put together probably make about as much difference as we would by pissing into the Atlantic |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 21:15:37 GMT
They are playing politics, blaming the previous government for everything and how bad things are now is standard practice and usually works for a short while.
Also pointing out that things are going to get worse because of what the previous government left them with, deflects some of the blame onto said previous government if things do indeed get worse, whilst enabling them to claim early success if things turn out to be better than anticipated. Various negative ideas are also being floated with the aim of creating a feelgood factor borne of relief if the tough choices being made turn out to be less bad than is being suggested.
Certainly one suggestion being floated is abolition of the single person's discount on Council Tax. That would crucify me. What might not be being understood is that single people have to pay all the bills and keep a roof over their heads out of a single wage, and if they are low waged this is hard enough already. As well as low paid working singletons there will also be many pensioners living alone who would be hit too. Talk of massive fuel duty hikes is also unhelpful.
I am minded to give credit where credit is due but if they start hammering low paid working people like me, they can flush any support from me down the toilet. And scrapping the single persons discount would certainly hit many poor people including the working poor and many pensioners. Exempting Bands A, B and C would protect most of the poorer ones but would of course save a lot less money.
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Post by Zany on Sept 7, 2024 7:36:09 GMT
They are playing politics, blaming the previous government for everything and how bad things are now is standard practice and usually works for a short while. Also pointing out that things are going to get worse because of what the previous government left them with, deflects some of the blame onto said previous government if things do indeed get worse, whilst enabling them to claim early success if things turn out to be better than anticipated. Various negative ideas are also being floated with the aim of creating a feelgood factor borne of relief if the tough choices being made turn out to be less bad than is being suggested. Certainly one suggestion being floated is abolition of the single person's discount on Council Tax. That would crucify me. What might not be being understood is that single people have to pay all the bills and keep a roof over their heads out of a single wage, and if they are low waged this is hard enough already. As well as low paid working singletons there will also be many pensioners living alone who would be hit too. Talk of massive fuel duty hikes is also unhelpful. I am minded to give credit where credit is due but if they start hammering low paid working people like me, they can flush any support from me down the toilet. And scrapping the single persons discount would certainly hit many poor people including the working poor and many pensioners. Exempting Bands A, B and C would protect most of the poorer ones but would of course save a lot less money. Can I ask Benn. Is this idea something Labour are considering, or is it another thing on the long list of items Labour refuse to comment on individually before the Autumn budget? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2024 7:45:00 GMT
They are playing politics, blaming the previous government for everything and how bad things are now is standard practice and usually works for a short while. Also pointing out that things are going to get worse because of what the previous government left them with, deflects some of the blame onto said previous government if things do indeed get worse, whilst enabling them to claim early success if things turn out to be better than anticipated. Various negative ideas are also being floated with the aim of creating a feelgood factor borne of relief if the tough choices being made turn out to be less bad than is being suggested. Certainly one suggestion being floated is abolition of the single person's discount on Council Tax. That would crucify me. What might not be being understood is that single people have to pay all the bills and keep a roof over their heads out of a single wage, and if they are low waged this is hard enough already. As well as low paid working singletons there will also be many pensioners living alone who would be hit too. Talk of massive fuel duty hikes is also unhelpful. I am minded to give credit where credit is due but if they start hammering low paid working people like me, they can flush any support from me down the toilet. And scrapping the single persons discount would certainly hit many poor people including the working poor and many pensioners. Exempting Bands A, B and C would protect most of the poorer ones but would of course save a lot less money. Can I ask Benn. Is this idea something Labour are considering, or is it another thing on the long list of items Labour refuse to comment on individually before the Autumn budget? In fairness it may well just prove to be the latter, amplified by the Tory media. Nevertheless, a reluctance to deny something means I cannot rule it out. And cannot be certain that it is not something being considered. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 7, 2024 7:59:59 GMT
Can I ask Benn. Is this idea something Labour are considering, or is it another thing on the long list of items Labour refuse to comment on individually before the Autumn budget? In fairness it may well just prove to be the latter, amplified by the Tory media. Nevertheless, a reluctance to deny something means I cannot rule it out. And cannot be certain that it is not something being considered. Yes, I agree its a bit cowardly of them, but I also understand that the second they answer that question another will be asked and another and another. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 7, 2024 10:38:40 GMT
They are playing politics, blaming the previous government for everything and how bad things are now is standard practice and usually works for a short while. Also pointing out that things are going to get worse because of what the previous government left them with, deflects some of the blame onto said previous government if things do indeed get worse, whilst enabling them to claim early success if things turn out to be better than anticipated. Various negative ideas are also being floated with the aim of creating a feelgood factor borne of relief if the tough choices being made turn out to be less bad than is being suggested. Certainly one suggestion being floated is abolition of the single person's discount on Council Tax. That would crucify me. What might not be being understood is that single people have to pay all the bills and keep a roof over their heads out of a single wage, and if they are low waged this is hard enough already. As well as low paid working singletons there will also be many pensioners living alone who would be hit too. Talk of massive fuel duty hikes is also unhelpful. I am minded to give credit where credit is due but if they start hammering low paid working people like me, they can flush any support from me down the toilet. And scrapping the single persons discount would certainly hit many poor people including the working poor and many pensioners. Exempting Bands A, B and C would protect most of the poorer ones but would of course save a lot less money. How about if the single person discount of 25% was limited to 25% of the value of a band D property tax? ie big properties would get progressively less than 25% |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2024 11:27:43 GMT
They are playing politics, blaming the previous government for everything and how bad things are now is standard practice and usually works for a short while. Also pointing out that things are going to get worse because of what the previous government left them with, deflects some of the blame onto said previous government if things do indeed get worse, whilst enabling them to claim early success if things turn out to be better than anticipated. Various negative ideas are also being floated with the aim of creating a feelgood factor borne of relief if the tough choices being made turn out to be less bad than is being suggested. Certainly one suggestion being floated is abolition of the single person's discount on Council Tax. That would crucify me. What might not be being understood is that single people have to pay all the bills and keep a roof over their heads out of a single wage, and if they are low waged this is hard enough already. As well as low paid working singletons there will also be many pensioners living alone who would be hit too. Talk of massive fuel duty hikes is also unhelpful. I am minded to give credit where credit is due but if they start hammering low paid working people like me, they can flush any support from me down the toilet. And scrapping the single persons discount would certainly hit many poor people including the working poor and many pensioners. Exempting Bands A, B and C would protect most of the poorer ones but would of course save a lot less money. How about if the single person discount of 25% was limited to 25% of the value of a band D property tax? ie big properties would get progressively less than 25% That is a reasonable enough suggestion but would the savings be worth the cost of administering that added complexity? |
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Post by Steve on Sept 7, 2024 12:06:12 GMT
Dunno  |
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Post by Zany on Sept 8, 2024 15:10:08 GMT
How about if the single person discount of 25% was limited to 25% of the value of a band D property tax? ie big properties would get progressively less than 25% That is a reasonable enough suggestion but would the savings be worth the cost of administering that added complexity? I think so, its pretty easy to see what band someone lives in and in most cases the individual would not apply if they knew they wouldn't get the discount. (Good idea Steve) |
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