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Post by Robert on Nov 26, 2024 23:30:22 GMT
Well, its very nice of contributor "Steve" to say so! Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 26, 2024 23:32:21 GMT
I don't think Robert is real. I must agree, he appears to be some sort of a Bot, only posting pastings from an Israeli playbook. 'He' almost appears like a plant by someone to argue an alternate point of view. Contributor "RedRum" wrote: "He' almost appears like a plant by someone to argue an alternate point of view.": I do get watered every day! Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 26, 2024 23:35:17 GMT
I don't think Robert is real. That is rather, if I may say so with respect, a rather strange thing for a moderator to say ...
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Post by Robert on Nov 26, 2024 23:37:24 GMT
Not sure it overly matters frankly. Robert is very welcome to express his views. It will be interesting to learn what his/the official lines hopes for the future are. As I have no connections with Israel, the word "official" cannot apply. I have the same hopes for Israel as other people would for their own country, provided it is not an enemy of Israel. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 26, 2024 23:53:13 GMT
It’s been interesting hearing your perspective Robert. As I have said I find the hatred and bias in your posts rather depressing and some of your arguments ludicrous. I rather hope the average Israeli is a little more balanced in their thinking. May I ask one question however. It must surely be in Israel’s interests to find peace with its neighbours and the Palestinians. Do you desire this? Do you see this as a possibility? What if any compromises would you be prepared to make to achieve it or do you see all the compromises as having to come from the other side? Contributor "dappy" wrote: "[...] hatred and bias in your [Robert's} posts [...]": Hatred - That is not correct. There is no hatred in my posts. I keep emotion out of responses. Nor are any of my posts motivated by hatred. I am for example happy that Israel has Arab citizens and Arab lawmakers. Bias - I defend Israel against Palestinian Arab falsehood propaganda. Being pro-Israel therefore my post can be considered biased to the Israeli viewpoint. However, the reader will find that I repeat the falsehood-propaganda that I am rebutting, before rebutting it. Contributor "dappy" also wrote: "your arguments ludicrous": I leave that judgment to be made by the general reader. Contributor "dappy" wrote: "peace with its neighbours and the Palestinians. Do you desire this? Do you see this as a possibility? What if any compromises would you be prepared to make to achieve it or do you see all the compromises as having to come from the other side?": The demand to make compromises is typically made only on Israel; never the Palestinian Arabs. Israel has already made all the concessions that can be reasonably expected of any nation seeking peace - under the Oslo Accords (see below). What do such people believe were the Oslo Accords then - Scotch Mist? Consider: How else did the Palestinian Arabs lay their hands on 40% of the West Bank and the whole of Gaza? There have already been two attempts at a two-state solution: 1) Under the 1947 United Nations proposed Partition Plan, where the reaction of the Palestinian Arabs was to: start a civil war to: Oppose the U.N. Partition Plan, take ALL the land, and seek to expel or murder the Jews. 2) Israel attempted "land for peace" under the Oslo Accords, where the reaction of the Palestinian Arabs after tricking Israel into this agreement, was to: claim ALL the land, continue with their terrorism, and fire thousands of rockets at Israel cities. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 26, 2024 23:56:29 GMT
Such "Fringe" meetings tend to take place by those who are not in power. The Israeli government are no "Fringe" but were democratically elected. Neither are Israeli politicians "far right" / "hard right" for simply wanting to defend Israel. Yes, Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich have perfectly rational mainstream beliefs
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Can contributor "borg0" say what views these politicians have said, of which the contributor disagrees, and I also invite the contributor to provide objective-Links to prove them. Robert
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Post by Robert on Nov 26, 2024 23:58:17 GMT
Unfortunately, those command bunkers and "Metro" terrorist tunnels require demolition. It is better not to: work hard to start a war by massacring Israelis as the Palestinian Arabs did on October 7th, 2023; and then complain about the consequences thereafter. But only someone with a sick and or murderous mind decides that it justifies killing innocent civilians in the thousands and thousands. Indeed, but the contributor would have to ask Hamas about that, since it is they who use civilians as human shields. Robert
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Post by Steve on Nov 27, 2024 0:20:12 GMT
Seems Robert doesn't know who it is that drops 1 tin unguided Mk84 bombs on civilians in Gaza, that fires tank shells at cars obeying evacuation orders in Gaza, that shoots journalists for reporting IDF atrocities.
Seems Robert can't handle the very limited complexity that both Hamas and the IDF have committed evil acts.
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Post by borg0 on Nov 27, 2024 1:14:27 GMT
Yes, Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich have perfectly rational mainstream beliefs
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Can contributor "borg0" say what views these politicians have, of which the contributor disagrees, and I also invite the contributor to provide objective-Links to prove them. I agree, they are perfectly mainstream and have non fringe beliefs
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 4:20:34 GMT
Seems Robert doesn't know who it is that drops 1 tin unguided Mk84 bombs on civilians in Gaza, that fires tank shells at cars obeying evacuation orders in Gaza, that shoots journalists for reporting IDF atrocities. Seems Robert can't handle the very limited complexity that both Hamas and the IDF have committed evil acts. No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence. Robert
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Post by RedRum on Nov 27, 2024 7:34:18 GMT
Seems Robert doesn't know who it is that drops 1 tin unguided Mk84 bombs on civilians in Gaza, that fires tank shells at cars obeying evacuation orders in Gaza, that shoots journalists for reporting IDF atrocities. Seems Robert can't handle the very limited complexity that both Hamas and the IDF have committed evil acts. No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence. RobertIs there any 'evidence' that Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th and if there is could you share it, please?
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Post by Zany on Nov 27, 2024 8:08:49 GMT
I don't think Robert is real. That is rather, if I may say so with respect, a rather strange thing for a moderator to say ... Hi Robert, I no longer moderate here. Saint took over with Monte. The site owner has just never changed my profile. Cheers Zany
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Post by dappy on Nov 27, 2024 10:40:39 GMT
Thank you Robert for your response.
It is interesting but to me and I suspect “the general reader” really depressing that you show no desire to compromise in any way to achieve peace.
It seems then that the only alternative for those of Robert’s ilk is either continual conflict or the complete subjugation of the Palestinian people.
Sadly at the moment Israel’s paymasters are prepared to tolerate these attitudes. Maybe one day that will change…….
I don’t see any room here for further productive discussion so will allow Robert the final word and wish him and his family the best for the future.
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 20:06:04 GMT
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Post by Robert on Nov 27, 2024 20:11:30 GMT
That is rather, if I may say so with respect, a rather strange thing for a moderator to say ... Hi Robert, I no longer moderate here. Saint took over with Monte. The site owner has just never changed my profile. Cheers Zany Thanks Zany; I appreciate your contributions.
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