Winter Fuel Allowance

I am trying to understand exactly what you are proposing.

Have I understood it right now

You propose no change to the state pension
You propose no change to pension credit
You now propose no change to the new means tested system for WFA.
You now seem to be proposing a new benefit awarded to those people who have an income above pension credit level but (presumably?) below some higher undefined figure payable at presumably (?) the same rate as WFA. It appears that this benefit will be payable not in cash but in some form of voucher that the elderly will then have to work out how to use to pay for their presumably on line utilities and they will have to travel to some sort of “community centre” to collect them.

Have I now understood your proposal?

If you want to solve a perceived problem, you have to say what the solution is. After much prodding you seemed to propose a solution. You now seem to be rowing back from it again perhaps realising that it was a bit silly.

Would you like to have another go at explaining exactly what you are proposing now?

Pretty sure a lot of community hubs also double as warm banks now, all warm banks should have a program for determining eligibility for fuel vouchers. It really is a travesty that old people have to go to "warm banks" to keep warm in the winter in a first world country

I might think it's wrong under the Tories but at least they stab you in the front as Amadan/Thomas puts it - Labour just stab people in the back don't they?

I do not think small pension savings = stupid.
Some people don't earn that much. I agree that some people make bad decisions or possible uninformed ones but stupid seems condescending and dismissive to me

When I was in my early 20s I was advised to make sure I had my pension plans sorted. So I did. I drove a succession of beaten up Cortinas for years and had no holidays and when I asked many of those I knew that were living better about pensions they'd say 'I'll worry about that later' That was stupid.

And I say again those women that opted for the married woman contribution were very stupid if they thought they'd end up with a state pension that would keep them in the quality of life they had when they are their husbands were employed.

Because we are (rightly) a compassionate society they get pension credit of £11.4k a year plus WFA and other benefits.

I never "rowed away" from my solution, I simply said "maybe" meaning it's a possible idea I haven't researched? I pointed this out to you and you utterly falsely said I'm "rowing away" from it

Dappy, why do you lie about everything everyone posts? It's starting to get really annoying.

At no point did I either "row away from it" or "row back towards it".

Where did I say people with earnings higher than that will still get a benefit but in the form of a voucher?

I said that those who don't qualify for WFA for whatever reason will get a voucher

Do you understand how pension credit works and how things like savings and deferred pensions affect it?



For the simple crime of having savings in your accounts, you will be counted as having income and you may be ineligible for PC, other benefits and obviously winter fuel allowance now as a result.

Do you understand that it's not half as black and white as you keep making out?

You're an extremely dishonest and irritating poster who isn't worth the time or effort of answering, frankly, all you've done is try a "gotcha" every single post by misrepresenting, or flat out lying about what I've said

I'm rather sick of it and I suspect I haven't been the only one over the years, I remember other posters infuriated at the way you flatly lie about what they say and claim their posts are stupid - when they never said a word you insinuated

Go hassle someone else