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Post by Zany on Aug 19, 2024 7:36:42 GMT
Where in that post is dishonesty even mentioned?? Lacking principles is correct, they do lack principles, hence they copy Tory policies like austerity, that's not the same thing as dishonesty. You're just lumping in all in together and then dishonestly saying I'm alleging the very thing you're accusing me of It's hard to make this stuff up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2024 20:10:56 GMT
Well to use an example from here in the USA: Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin were "blue dog" right wing Democrats. I have no issue with that in particular as long as they're principled but Manchin was part of a coal mine operation that broke the law so many times it defied belief and was funded by GOP billionaires. And Sinema? Where to start? www.commondreams.org/news/2021/09/27/cartoonish-level-corrupt-dems-fight-bold-agenda-sinema-fundraise-its-corporateI can't stand socialists like Corbyn who have no principles either, same as Starmer, same as the likes of Sinema, Manchin etc. There's no difference as far as I'm concerned, stick right-wing Tories in for all I care as long as they have principles and love the country and try to do the best by it that they can. That's literally all I care about You won't get this Lab govt caring about disabled people will you? They don't give a stuff about them This sort of post does you no credit. The Labour party have been in power a month and you read, don't know yet as don't care. Talk about seeking failure. I have my doubts about Starmer and the Labour leadership as you know but we have to at least give them enough rope to hang themselves with. I think the early signs thus far have been more positive than negative and certainly an improvement on the Tories so far. But it is too early to make any informed judgement on them as yet. They need to be given enough time to reasonably confirm our fears or dispel our doubts. For me it looks more positive than negative based on the very little evidence we have so far but the jury is very much still out. The autumn statement and things announced in it will tell us much more. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 19, 2024 20:52:07 GMT
This sort of post does you no credit. The Labour party have been in power a month and you read, don't know yet as don't care. Talk about seeking failure. I have my doubts about Starmer and the Labour leadership as you know but we have to at least give them enough rope to hang themselves with. I think the early signs thus far have been more positive than negative and certainly an improvement on the Tories so far. But it is too early to make any informed judgement on them as yet. They need to be given enough time to reasonably confirm our fears or dispel our doubts. For me it looks more positive than negative based on the very little evidence we have so far but the jury is very much still out. The autumn statement and things announced in it will tell us much more. TBH Benn, anyone would struggle to be worse than those Tories  I'm hoping for much better, but as you say early days. I think a lot will hang on whether they can stimulate the economy to generate some much needed tax. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 14:39:19 GMT
Where in that post is dishonesty even mentioned?? Lacking principles is correct, they do lack principles, hence they copy Tory policies like austerity, that's not the same thing as dishonesty. You're just lumping in all in together and then dishonestly saying I'm alleging the very thing you're accusing me of It's hard to make this stuff up
Please try and be more specific so the threads don't fill up with crap. Nope, I've mentioned dishonesty of Starmer specifically and separately in other posts. I've mentioned Labour's dishonesty elsewhere from this thread, because this is a different argument and focuses on their policies, not their dishonesty In those posts above, which we are talking about, I've clearly not mentioned Labour's dishonesty nor inferred it at any point. The arguments are for different things because 'different things are different', thus like I said you are just lumping them all in together when they are not the same thing I don't believe you would like it if I lumped all your arguments in together and alleged you were talking about something you clearly weren't in any one post |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 14:42:10 GMT
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Post by Zany on Aug 21, 2024 17:03:51 GMT
You seem to have developed a style of insinuating things and then denying you said them. I have noticed it to.
Please try and be more specific so the threads don't fill up with crap. Nope, I've mentioned dishonesty of Starmer specifically and separately in other posts. I've mentioned Labour's dishonesty elsewhere from this thread, because this is a different argument and focuses on their policies, not their dishonesty In those posts above, which we are talking about, I've clearly not mentioned Labour's dishonesty nor inferred it at any point. The arguments are for different things because 'different things are different', thus like I said you are just lumping them all in together when they are not the same thing I don't believe you would like it if I lumped all your arguments in together and alleged you were talking about something you clearly weren't in any one post Thank you for the clarification. And yes I agree about threads being different. I just have to learn that a lot of the time you appear to be saying something you are not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 18:40:13 GMT
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Post by Steve on Aug 21, 2024 18:56:44 GMT
Interesting lady and she's being realistic. It's too soon for Labour to have turned the oil tanker round but she's right to say keep the pressure on until they do.
'It is our duty and right to put this new Government, which many of us felt we had to vote for, under scrutiny – from the start. Don’t take our votes for granted. Don’t assume we will stay quiet and pliant. That we little disableds solely grin with unchallenging relief that the Tories have gone. '
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