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Post by Steve on Aug 15, 2024 23:22:25 GMT
Your latest DT article does not allege the same as your insinuation of 'So most in the HoC have principles? Interesting, guess the MP expenses scandals said differently, how many MPs didn't cheat on that?'
Feel free to provide a list of MPs that cheated - as opposed to claiming what they were by officials told to claim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 3:23:46 GMT
The independent auditor seems to back my point and the review clearly criticised such politicians, up to half of 646 MPs were "expected to be replaced" supposedly, I don't know if that happened but the fact it was even considered likely says volumes.
Are there some good politicians at Westminster and elsewhere? Yes there are, but I haven't seen any proof that the majority are that way inclined.
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Post by Zany on Aug 16, 2024 6:53:52 GMT
Yes ofcourse (First its me, NOT mod me) Its as I said in 4 weeks of running the country you have already decided that Labour don't give a stuff about disabled people, based on single actions and sweeping statements. For instance they have not removed the winter fuel allowance from pensioners just from pensioners who don't need it (Except maybe a few exceptional cases, which is always the way of it) Further you don't know if having sorted the countries finances they wont make things better for the disabled. 4 weeks is to short a time to pass judgement, especially as you cannot be unaware of the problems they've inherited. 800,000 are eligible for pension credit but don't claim it, only 21% of those eligible do. That's a large number who now won't get the WFA, no sweeping statements there The fact is everything Labour intend to do or have done so far has made things worse, with maybe 3 exceptions such as the ASLEF deal, so no I'm going on their record, actions and intended actions and words so far And what were the figures 4 weeks ago? By which I mean how many eligible claimants don't claim because of actions Labour have taken over the last 4 weeks. And how have Labour made things worse?
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Post by Zany on Aug 16, 2024 7:00:32 GMT
Not really. I see little personal gain from having free public relations advice or a photo shoot. I agree it should be capped, but its not cheating the public purse.
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Post by Zany on Aug 16, 2024 7:02:00 GMT
Oh, just stumbled upon my answer in that OpenDemocracy bit above "After the scandal broke, more than half of MPs agreed to pay back the money and a new expenses watchdog was set up, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA)" More than half.. QED More than half you were accused of cheating. Not more than half of MP's ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 7:11:41 GMT
800,000 are eligible for pension credit but don't claim it, only 21% of those eligible do. That's a large number who now won't get the WFA, no sweeping statements there The fact is everything Labour intend to do or have done so far has made things worse, with maybe 3 exceptions such as the ASLEF deal, so no I'm going on their record, actions and intended actions and words so far And what were the figures 4 weeks ago? By which I mean how many eligible claimants don't claim because of actions Labour have taken over the last 4 weeks. And how have Labour made things worse? How have Lab made things worse? You mean OTHER than removing the WFA??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 7:12:34 GMT
Oh, just stumbled upon my answer in that OpenDemocracy bit above "After the scandal broke, more than half of MPs agreed to pay back the money and a new expenses watchdog was set up, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA)" More than half.. QED More than half you were accused of cheating. Not more than half of MP's ? See Torygraph link posted in above post By the way, I don't approve of most of the right wing messaging in the Torygraph piece, but its quoting the independent auditor - that's what I'm pointing at
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Post by Zany on Aug 16, 2024 7:23:30 GMT
And what were the figures 4 weeks ago? By which I mean how many eligible claimants don't claim because of actions Labour have taken over the last 4 weeks. And how have Labour made things worse? How have Lab made things worse? You mean OTHER than removing the WFA?? Well yes other than that, from your words "The fact is everything Labour intend to do or have done so far has made things worse"I was expecting a list. Dealing with the one item you list. I think limiting the WFA to those who need it is a good move. My dad had just short of a million in the bank and still took his WFA. I would agree the system like all systems has faults, but I think this is better than the waste on universal WFA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 7:39:16 GMT
Sure, reform winter fuel allowance but don't just remove it from all except those on means-tested benefits, a lot of people don't even know they're entitled and are in poverty - that sucks, how can that be right
Well, you're asking for a list, but I've posted plenty across this Labour Party forum already, you've mostly chosen to downplay it, there's not much else I can do about it, but I'm sure I can keep going as more and more things come out which mark my words, they will.
Be careful what you wish for. If you are asking for me to give you a full list of Labour's wrongs I will absolutely happily indulge you, you might not like it so much when you finally see it, I'm still digging up what they've done and it takes time
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Post by Steve on Aug 16, 2024 7:59:45 GMT
More than half you were accused of cheating. Not more than half of MP's ? See Torygraph link posted in above post By the way, I don't approve of most of the right wing messaging in the Torygraph piece, but its quoting the independent auditor - that's what I'm pointing at I've actually read the Legg report. publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmmemest/348/app1.pdf In most cases they weren't 'cheating', they were doing what they had been told to do incl by the Fees Office.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 8:07:40 GMT
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Post by Steve on Aug 16, 2024 8:23:04 GMT
ie just like I said. Overwhelmingly they weren't cheating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 8:27:58 GMT
That's a charitable take. A lot of the media have 0% charitable takes for the poor who are caught doing various petty unethical things (which I don't agree with nor endorse either), or petty protest, or even petulant benefit fraud sometimes also committed in ignorance - which is a crime and shouldn't be overlooked, but have plenty of charity for those at the top who commit unethical things and even crimes. To me that is truly perverse and unjust
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Post by Steve on Aug 16, 2024 8:38:50 GMT
I just know that most of the MPs I've met have been trying to do what they think is best for a balance of the country and their constituents and their own interests came way down the list. And to accuse MPs of cheating (an act of commission) for failure to 100% check the advice they were getting from the official Fees Office is just wrong.
To get back to the thread title, the Disability News Service is yet again just scare mongering with no real evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 8:45:04 GMT
I just know that most of the MPs I've met have been trying to do what they think is best for a balance of the country and their constituents \ That's all anecdotal, I can say exactly the same thing about them. Sally Ann Hart was fairly nice and helpful to me by email, you know the sort of things she's voted for and done in parliament right? I mean you know the islamophobic and anti-semitic vitriol she's reposted just for example? I haven't even tried delving into the other stuff she's involved in, is she even the MP for Hastings anymore anyway? She was last year I know people who are incredibly nice on a personal level, people who've met Trump tell me he's absolutely wonderful to spend time with and you know I don't disbelieve them for a second. He probably treated them very well, he even talks to normal New Yorkers like he's one of them and treats them with the utmost respect. A lot of people have told me this - and I do trust them, they're people I've known for a good few years now. I'm friends with hardcore Trumpists who I count as close friends That doesn't change some of the things they believe in, nor does it change their record of what they've actually done as in actions. The police have been great to me both in England and mostly here in America. I can denigrate anyone who denigrates the police based on everything I've seen and call them cop haters, or I can accept they get things wrong sometimes and it's not one way or the other All the poor people who are destroyed in the media daily for petty things that they may well have been ignorant of - of the law - knowing that ignorance is no excuse, or that they stole because they were very hungry and destitute etc don't get the same benefit of the doubt the powerful get. I don't agree with that power imbalance. I never really said that, I simply said they were "cheating", weren't those my words? How 'yet again'? When did they scaremonger previously? And you're saying disabled rights activists are scaremongering? The quotes came from them, not DNS
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