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Formula One matters (and other motorsport) Sept 15, 2024 14:08:46 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 14:08:46 GMT

Imagine if Brawn GP had had more money for example and hadn't ended up being sold to Merc?

And they were a winning team

Brawn itself came out of Honda who bailed out of F1 due to cost during 2008-9 recession...

They [Brawn] were chronically underfunded to the point they couldn't afford many spare parts for the Brawn GP 001, if they had stayed in business and weren't bought out - maybe Button would be a multi times world champion..

Thanks to some of their innovations, arguably, they helped Merc on their way to winning consecutive championships

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Formula One matters (and other motorsport) Sept 15, 2024 14:11:58 GMT

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Post by Steve on Sept 15, 2024 14:11:58 GMT

Sept 15, 2024 14:04:38 GMT @borgr0 said:

Sept 15, 2024 13:59:37 GMT montegriffo said:

Yeah, cos the drivers and teams are so underfunded they need my money too.

They are, the smaller teams definitely are, they go out of business regularly

Not since the spending cap they don't

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Formula One matters (and other motorsport) Sept 15, 2024 14:14:15 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 14:14:15 GMT

How many teams exceed the spending cap or even come close to pushing it on the lesser end..?

IIRC even if you do exceed it, the penalties aren't that big for the big teams

How did Red Bull break the rules? How were they punished?

The FIA found Red Bull guilty of a "minor" overspend of the 2021 $145m budget, while Verstappen was wrapping up the 2022 title, in a huge end-of-season scandal. Team principal Christian Horner claimed the overspend did not affect their performance.

Red Bull were hit with a $7m fine and a 10 percent reduction in aero testing for 2023 as punishment.

Thirteen areas were "incorrectly interpretated" by Red Bull, including staff catering.

Red Bull are dominating in 2023 despite their punishment, leading Lewis Hamilton to criticise: “I mean, there wasn't really a big punishment last time, so there's no real [deterrent].

"There will be people that will probably go for it again and know they're just going to get a slap on the wrist."

www.crash.net/f1/news/1014425/1/f1-cost-cap-how-red-bull-broke-it-their-punishment-and-2023-budget#:~:text=The%20FIA%20found%20Red%20Bull,did%20not%20affect%20their%20performance.

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Formula One matters (and other motorsport) Sept 15, 2024 17:11:43 GMT

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Post by Steve on Sept 15, 2024 17:11:43 GMT

That 10% cut in wind tunnel time has hurt Red Bull big time. And they didn't overspend by very much at all. The days of mega spending teams have gone.

Teams are sold for big money now because the spend cap means even lowly placed teams can make a profit. Critics say it's become a cartel and looking at the Andretti exclusion they may have a point.

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