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Post by Zany on Jul 28, 2024 19:04:56 GMT
A railway line level crossing has become a "risk to public safety", officials have warned, with quieter and more frequent trains prompting plans to close a public path. CCTV footage has also captured young people "lingering on the tracks" between Van Road and Cefn Carnau Lane east of Caerphilly town centre. A dog walker - seen wearing headphones - was also spotted "turning back, retracing their steps for no apparent reason". www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe2r3mj03voShould we close the crossing for everyone. Build a bridge with public money Use the CCTV to prosecute those who linger on the crossing, with warning signs. Carry on until someone is killed (Has to be included as the elephant in the room.)
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Post by Steve on Jul 28, 2024 19:45:22 GMT
If as I suspect it's an established right of way then I question how the railway is allowed to get away with not building a proper crossing. Just closing it is too easy an option for them to have.
Tempting as it is to just say the idiots should just let themselves get splatted and Darwinism will improve the species, these accidents are devastating for the train drivers some of who never work again. More cameras, more identification and proper penalties for those being stupid.
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Post by Zany on Jul 28, 2024 19:54:37 GMT
If as I suspect it's an established right of way then I question how the railway is allowed to get away with not building a proper crossing. Just closing it is too easy an option for them to have. Tempting as it is to just say the idiots should just let themselves get splatted and Darwinism will improve the species, these accidents are devastating for the train drivers some of who never work again. More cameras, more identification and proper penalties for those being stupid. Trouble with saying they must build a bridge at every footpath crossing is you have to pay for it. Not the train companies, you and me. There are 6,000 plus such crossings. The rail cycle bridge in Cambridge cost £2m I think it has to be fines and CCTV
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2024 15:34:38 GMT
The problem is that you'd have to build so many bridges for long lines it'd be economically unviable, there must be a cheaper/easier way to promote safety. I'm sure you can make level crossings a little safer without having to build an entire bridge
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Post by Hutchyns on Aug 4, 2024 19:59:44 GMT
Attach a sign saying 'Cross At Own Risk'.
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Post by Zany on Aug 5, 2024 21:44:48 GMT
Attach a sign saying 'Cross At Own Risk'.
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Post by dappy on Aug 5, 2024 22:06:23 GMT
Perhaps customers should be expected to bring their own fire extinguishers to leisure facilities…..
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Post by Zany on Aug 5, 2024 22:25:44 GMT
Perhaps customers should be expected to bring their own fire extinguishers to leisure facilities….. Are you also open for me to take cheap shots at you, or is that not proper?
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Post by dappy on Aug 5, 2024 22:34:00 GMT
Perhaps customers should be expected to bring their own fire extinguishers to leisure facilities….. Are you also open for me to take cheap shots at you, or is that not proper? Of course you can Zany but only if lighthearted teasing rather than abuse intended to hurt.
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Post by Saint on Aug 5, 2024 22:40:07 GMT
A railway line level crossing has become a "risk to public safety", officials have warned, with quieter and more frequent trains prompting plans to close a public path. CCTV footage has also captured young people "lingering on the tracks" between Van Road and Cefn Carnau Lane east of Caerphilly town centre. A dog walker - seen wearing headphones - was also spotted "turning back, retracing their steps for no apparent reason". www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe2r3mj03voShould we close the crossing for everyone. Build a bridge with public money Use the CCTV to prosecute those who linger on the crossing, with warning signs. Carry on until someone is killed (Has to be included as the elephant in the room.) Build a bridge with public money.
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Post by Zany on Aug 6, 2024 7:28:20 GMT
Are you also open for me to take cheap shots at you, or is that not proper? Of course you can Zany but only if lighthearted teasing rather than abuse intended to hurt. Add a smiley of a wink next time, particularly when referring to a previous argument that got tense.
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Post by Hutchyns on Aug 6, 2024 8:08:47 GMT
I think dappy's is a fair question, and if it isn't we can put that down to him still being a bit on edge having survived the Plymouth riots last night.
The level crossing provides a pathway, there's no toll (that we know of) for using it, and you can weigh the risks versus the convenience. If there's demand for a covered walkway that provides you with a complimentary coffee and piped music, then a private contractor can build it and sell tickets for its use.
Leisure facilities that could benefit from a fire extinguisher, to many of us might imply a facility that you have to pay to use. It's almost always better to include the cost of provision of fire extinguishers within the entrance fee. Given the bulkiness and heaviness of carting around a fire-extinguisher, customers (with a concern over fire) would soon indicate their willingness to have that safety option provided at a nominal extra cost.
The real losers will be those who want to pay less in return for having fewer safety facilities. The same with the crossing, those who want to rely on their own common sense and sensible precautions when using the crossing, may compulsorily have to pay more Council Tax to have an all singing all dancing Nanny State facility built by the local authority.
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Post by Steve on Aug 6, 2024 8:16:34 GMT
Back on topic Attach a sign saying 'Cross At Own Risk'. Would be useful but couldn't be said to be a primary safety measure that could be relied on. By even 20th century standards, no one should have been allowed to build a railway across rights of way without providing a suitable and safe method of continuing that right of way IE a bridge or equivalent. That's what needs rectifying but some sort of reliable and very clear audio visual warning that a train is approaching might just suffice.
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Post by dappy on Aug 6, 2024 8:52:47 GMT
As I recall there are quite a few “walkway” crossings of railways in Cambridge area - perhaps because of the generally flat land.
If we are going to look at this seriously, the “cross at your own risk” sign may be adequate warning for adults but perhaps less so for kids.
The answer here then is a risk assessment - is there a materially increased risk from Zany’s quieter trains, what are sight lines like - plainly a long straight track is likely to be safer than a crossing just after a bend, what speed do trains on this track do. Once risk is assessed balance that against benefit - if say there is a bridge 100 yards up the line then there would be less need than if there was no alternative crossing and what is on each side of the track.
As always with H&S, it is bloody obvious that the crossing in use without incident by the local community for fifty years should be left in place until of course the tragic incident when two kids are mown down by an express at which point it is bloody obvious it should have been closed years ago.
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Post by Zany on Aug 6, 2024 19:23:03 GMT
Back on topic Attach a sign saying 'Cross At Own Risk'. Would be useful but couldn't be said to be a primary safety measure that could be relied on. By even 20th century standards, no one should have been allowed to build a railway across rights of way without providing a suitable and safe method of continuing that right of way IE a bridge or equivalent. That's what needs rectifying but some sort of reliable and very clear audio visual warning that a train is approaching might just suffice. Both were built a very long time ago. before people stopped being able to look both ways and see a train coming.
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