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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 19:01:59 GMT
so why do you , a moderator , feel the need to qualify something with a mere forum member? conveniently. For clarity, my mod comments are in green or red. so. Last warning. If you question my neutrality again or derail threads like this I will ban you. Enough, wind your fat neck in or go. wind my fat neck in ? thats some tone to take from a so called moderator. When I disagree with you on the open boards , you then retreat behind your moderator postion and start deleting posts and threatening to ban. I haven't derailed any of this thread. Ive called out two people , including you , for having a go at Borg for starting a thread you dont agree with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 20:24:54 GMT
Firstly, I must say that I find threats to ban people out of irritation worrying. We can all be irritating at times.
As for Starmer, I have read about him in detail over the years in the New Statesman magazine, which is predominantly Blairite in focus. Yet even here he has been described as totally establishmentarian. He sees his role as to serve the state. Where the state's interest may differ from that of the people, he is not likely to be a champion of the people.
And I have seen first hand his ability and willingness to lie to get what he wants. He once said that Corbyn would make a great Prime Minister, then changed that to he would have been a disaster. Clearly he was either lying then or is lying now. He once referred to Corbyn as his friend, then later denied it. He made a whole load of pledges to party members, most of which he quickly abandoned once leader. The man is the establishment's man, and a proven liar.
As to the things said about him by some in this thread, I have heard similar myself though am uncertain how much or how little is fact. But much of it is highly credible to the man I know him to be. However, being credible is not the same thing as being true, so will comment no further because I am uncertain about what exactly is true and what isnt. Suffice it to say there is enough doubt in my mind to mistrust him.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 22, 2024 20:31:08 GMT
Yeah, we've read enough about it to know that's misleading in and of itself. LinkSo let me guess, he was right about Simon Harwood who murdered Ian Tomlinson the innocent bystander too - right? I suggest you read the article your link links to and relies on. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7888385.stm The CPS could not legally reopen the case because there was not significant new evidence. Harwood wasn't prosecuted for murder (a) because it was manslaughter and (b) because the evidence was hopelessly corrupted (thanks to his colleagues) Interesting that you wish to denigrate Starmer for not breaking the law Ahhhh, so Tomlinson should have been got for manslaughter but that didn't happen either, you don't think the case should have been reopened at all because nothing could be proven due to his colleagues - and you think this is an acceptable miscarriage of justice? And why was the evidence allowed to be so corrupted? Why didn't the DPS stand in and prevent this from happening? A lot of evidence seems to have gone in cases he's been involved in from what I've seen, interesting that?
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 22, 2024 20:32:04 GMT
I suggest you read the article your link links to and relies on. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7888385.stm The CPS could not legally reopen the case because there was not significant new evidence. Harwood wasn't prosecuted for murder (a) because it was manslaughter and (b) because the evidence was hopelessly corrupted (thanks to his colleagues) Interesting that you wish to denigrate Starmer for not breaking the law I now agree with you Steve. This was all debunked elsewhere, starting a new thread to make the same debunked claims is ridiculous and dishonest. Sorry, but where was this "debunked elsewhere"? And even if it was, was it me who posted that thread elsewhere? If not, then how can you tell me I'm posting duplicate threads? I've never posted this thread before and never even posted these "accusations" before, so how could I personally be duplicating a thread I've never heard nor read about before?
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2024 20:39:09 GMT
I suggest you read the article your link links to and relies on. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7888385.stm The CPS could not legally reopen the case because there was not significant new evidence. Harwood wasn't prosecuted for murder (a) because it was manslaughter and (b) because the evidence was hopelessly corrupted (thanks to his colleagues) Interesting that you wish to denigrate Starmer for not breaking the law Ahhhh, so Tomlinson should have been got for manslaughter but that didn't happen either, you don't think the case should have been reopened at all because nothing could be proven due to his colleagues - and you think this is an acceptable miscarriage of justice? And why was the evidence allowed to be so corrupted? Why didn't the DPS stand in and prevent this from happening? A lot of evidence seems to have gone in cases he's been involved in from what I've seen, interesting that? Let me make this simple: you can't denigrate Starmer for decisions made by others or where he was bound by UK law.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 22, 2024 20:41:46 GMT
Ahhhh, so Tomlinson should have been got for manslaughter but that didn't happen either, you don't think the case should have been reopened at all because nothing could be proven due to his colleagues - and you think this is an acceptable miscarriage of justice? And why was the evidence allowed to be so corrupted? Why didn't the DPS stand in and prevent this from happening? A lot of evidence seems to have gone in cases he's been involved in from what I've seen, interesting that? Let me make this simple: you can't denigrate Starmer for decisions made by others or where he was bound by UK law. He reviewed them and upheld the previous (wrongful) conclusions, did he push back against that at all or just go with the Establishment? Isn't it interesting he wants to uphold draconian Tory anti-protesting laws as current PM, which you yourself are in favour of too?
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2024 20:56:55 GMT
Another personal attack, how pathetic.
Discussion over
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 22, 2024 21:03:45 GMT
You consider that a vicious personal attack? Pointing out you are in favour of Tory anti-protesting laws as demo'd in the JSO thread?
Do you consider noting the fact that you voted for the LDs in 2019 a personal attack too?
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2024 22:00:42 GMT
If you subscribe to reading classes you'll be able to see that it is you that's introduced the word 'vicious'
You keep impugning the character of the person with whom you're arguing aka playing the man not the ball.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 22, 2024 22:10:27 GMT
If you subscribe to reading classes you'll be able to see that it is you that's introduced the word 'vicious' You keep impugning the character of the person with whom you're arguing aka playing the man not the ball. Now who's engaging in personal attacks? Mine (if indeed it was a personal attack at all) was innocuous, but this is what you do then cry victim on the regulary
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Post by dappy on Jul 22, 2024 22:26:23 GMT
This thread is disappointingly reminiscent of the old forum. I do hope this forum is not allowed to go the same way.
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Post by Zany on Jul 23, 2024 8:35:42 GMT
It's so sad your education stopped when they explained what a ? means at the end of a sentence back to playing last wordism again Steve? Two people at least on this thread thought the same you were implying that Borg shouldn't start a a new thread simply because you personally dont like the subject at hand , and two others agreed with one of the posts where you were called out on it. still no example of me misrepresenting you. Add me, I thought that to.
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Post by Zany on Jul 23, 2024 8:43:11 GMT
For clarity, my mod comments are in green or red. so. Last warning. If you question my neutrality again or derail threads like this I will ban you. Enough, wind your fat neck in or go. wind my fat neck in ? thats some tone to take from a so called moderator. When I disagree with you on the open boards , you then retreat behind your moderator position and start deleting posts and threatening to ban. I haven't derailed any of this thread. Ive called out two people , including you , for having a go at Borg for starting a thread you dont agree with. I care not what you think of my style or my moderation.
I will not let this forum descend into the mindless implied sneaky insults and pages of thread wrecking offered on pretty much every other forum. Think about how you phrase things to make your points without winding people up if you want to stay here. My design is different to what you are used to, but my desire is that this forum grows as new members see discussion about interesting subjects, not pages of childish squabbling over the meaning of a word. Or deliberate misunderstanding of a sentence even after its explained. Its your choice Thomas, if you want to stay.
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Post by Steve on Jul 23, 2024 9:20:19 GMT
back to playing last wordism again Steve? Two people at least on this thread thought the same you were implying that Borg shouldn't start a a new thread simply because you personally dont like the subject at hand , and two others agreed with one of the posts where you were called out on it. still no example of me misrepresenting you. Add me, I thought that to. Well you thought wrong
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Post by AvonCalling on Jul 23, 2024 15:48:45 GMT
Mmmmm one if the tetchiest threads I've seen here. I am also if the opinion that they will be better than the last lot but not likely to give me all the things I like. As someone else said hope they do a bit of tax and spend as I think the country is in dire need of spend/investment
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