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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 15:37:42 GMT
I'd think that the biggest problem would be finding space to park the truck at 3am on a residential street. Yeah I thought of that. Most city streets have cars parked down both sides at night, but they must by law leave space wide enough for a fire engine or Ambulance. I talked about it with a mate and we thought this may work.  |
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 15:46:01 GMT
I'd think that the biggest problem would be finding space to park the truck at 3am on a residential street. fully electric car sales dont seem to be doing very well do they though? 4/5 sold are fleet vehicles for business who are being offered incentives to take them on , and every report im reading , and anecdotally hearing , is extremely negative from people who have bought them. The ability to charge an EV is one of the big factors that keep cropping up. I was working on an industrial estate a few weeks back , and the building next door to where I was has a load of EV chargers out front. I was there for 2 half hours , and during that time , a lady was trying to use a phone app to operate one of the EV chargers. By the time I had left , she's had been unable to do so , even leaving the estate. , and coming back to try a second time. I thought to myself what a load of absolute fucking about for nothing. self charging hybrids seem ok , but no way would buy or lease a fully electric vehicle as things stand. Clearly things haven't been thought through , and I would pay to watch one of these trucks rocking up on a busy Glaswegian city centre street to charge evs in the future. It would be a riot watching the fighting take place. Yes there are horror stories to read everywhere. And phoney road tests designed to make EV's fail. Plus of course the bloke who drives every day from land ends to John O groats and back without a break. Truth is 90% of journeys are less than 40 miles. I know 6 people who have electric cars, none have any bother. I do think some of the original stories were true when EV's had a range of 100 miles on a good day, but that is ancient history now. Most EV's are charged at home, so I am looking for solutions for those who only have street parking. As for your doom and gloom prognosis, such claims litter our history but rarely come true. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:46:35 GMT
I'd think that the biggest problem would be finding space to park the truck at 3am on a residential street. Yeah I thought of that. Most city streets have cars parked down both sides at night, but they must by law leave space wide enough for a fire engine or Ambulance. I talked about it with a mate and we thought this may work. that may or may not be the law zany , but often its not the practice. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:51:27 GMT
fully electric car sales dont seem to be doing very well do they though? 4/5 sold are fleet vehicles for business who are being offered incentives to take them on , and every report im reading , and anecdotally hearing , is extremely negative from people who have bought them. The ability to charge an EV is one of the big factors that keep cropping up. I was working on an industrial estate a few weeks back , and the building next door to where I was has a load of EV chargers out front. I was there for 2 half hours , and during that time , a lady was trying to use a phone app to operate one of the EV chargers. By the time I had left , she's had been unable to do so , even leaving the estate. , and coming back to try a second time. I thought to myself what a load of absolute fucking about for nothing. self charging hybrids seem ok , but no way would buy or lease a fully electric vehicle as things stand. Clearly things haven't been thought through , and I would pay to watch one of these trucks rocking up on a busy Glaswegian city centre street to charge evs in the future. It would be a riot watching the fighting take place. Yes there are horror stories to read everywhere. And phoney road tests designed to make EV's fail. Plus of course the bloke who drives every day from land ends to John O groats and back without a break. Truth is 90% of journeys are less than 40 miles. I know 6 people who have electric cars, none have any bother. I do think some of the original stories were true when EV's had a range of 100 miles on a good day, but that is ancient history now. Most EV's are charged at home, so I am looking for solutions for those who only have street parking. As for your doom and gloom prognosis, such claims litter our history but rarely come true. ive got a customer whose son is in the music industry , and he cannot drive his fully electric car ( circa £ 80 000 worth im told) 160 mile round trip from his family home to parent home on one charge. Often , the range of theses things are half the range what the major car manufacturers tell you when you buy them , because they dont take into account a fully laden vehicle when selling you the spiel about 200 mile range. with the price of electricity , im fucked if I would be adding the cost of charging an ev vehicle to my families already excessive energy bill . Im currently over £ 200 per month for a family of four. we cannot get anything cheaper , and cannot get the energy use down from the frugal levels we currently use. its cloud cuckoo land stuff as things stand . EV will not roll out and be used en masse by the public. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 15:51:59 GMT
It's a PHEV not an EV. It gets charged about 4 times a week. If it was an EV we would sign up to one of those cheap overnight rates and only ever use such. ok. your figures do seem to be erring on the cheap side from what im reading. EON will charge 6.9p per kwh for overnight electricity on their EV tariff. Other suppliers are available www.eonnext.com/tariffs |
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 15:52:35 GMT
Indeed. But if you charge the lorry at 9.5p a kilowatt. The only concern is number of customers in a given area. I have an acquaintance who has a fully electric kia , which he is talking about getting rid of for various reasons. One is it costs him more per mile to run than petrol or diesel as things stand. 22p to 17 p if I mind correct. Where do you get the 9.5p per kilowatt figure? Your mates a fool then. I charge my car overnight (As does pretty much everyone) I'm with Octopus but many other providers are also offering night rates of 9.5p per kWh. Its cheap at night because those good old wind farms keep churning out electricity when you go to bed. 14kwh gives you about 50 miles. 14 x 9.5p= £1.33 So equivalent to £1.33 a gallon instead of £6.50 |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 15:54:34 GMT
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 15:56:04 GMT
Yeah I thought of that. Most city streets have cars parked down both sides at night, but they must by law leave space wide enough for a fire engine or Ambulance. I talked about it with a mate and we thought this may work. that may or may not be the law zany , but often its not the practice. Well yes, there may also be an enraged bull in the street that hates green lorries, if we're searching for reasons to make it fail. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 15:56:55 GMT
Ooh, I'll have a look at that. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 16:49:44 GMT
ok. your figures do seem to be erring on the cheap side from what im reading. EON will charge 6.9p per kwh for overnight electricity on their EV tariff. Other suppliers are available www.eonnext.com/tariffsagain you appear to be cherry picking select figures to give a positive impression of driving an ev. For example, to fit an ev charger at home , the estimated price is around £1000. To get the 6.9p per kilowatt , it looks like eons standard variable day rate and standing charges are higher than what my current supplier is charging me. so when you take all the factors into consideration , running an ev looks incredibly expensive , buying or leasing incredibly expensive , and the infrastructure extremely poor in terms of charging away from home. the economic argument doesn't stack up , unless of course the government prices petrol and diesel off the roads to make the excessive costs of driving an ev look reasonable , which im sure will be the plan. Im also reading insurance premiums for vehicles are going through the roof because of the expense of repairing electric vehicles. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 16:51:11 GMT
that may or may not be the law zany , but often its not the practice. Well yes, there may also be an enraged bull in the street that hates green lorries, if we're searching for reasons to make it fail. we aren't searching for any reasons to make anything fail. Im no luddite , and im extremely interested in alternative technologies. However , im also no blind cultist worshipping at the climate altar , and im simply pointing out the maths and the technology dont add up. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 16:52:49 GMT
EON will charge 6.9p per kwh for overnight electricity on their EV tariff. Other suppliers are available www.eonnext.com/tariffsagain you appear to be cherry picking select figures to give a positive impression of driving an ev. For example, to fit an ev charger at home , the estimated price is around £1000. To get the 6.9p per kilowatt , it looks like eons standard variable day rate and standing charges are higher than what my current supplier is charging me. so when you take all the factors into consideration , running an ev looks incredibly expensive , buying or leasing incredibly expensive , and the infrastructure extremely poor in terms of charging away from home. the economic argument doesn't stack up , unless of course the government prices petrol and diesel off the roads to make the excessive costs of driving an ev look reasonable , which im sure will be the plan. Im also reading insurance premiums for vehicles are going through the roof because of the expense of repairing electric vehicles. My charger came free with my car, it was fitted for £440. If you are trying to do comparisons I suggest you do them, rather than throwing stones into the pond in hope of muddying the water. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 16:54:44 GMT
Well yes, there may also be an enraged bull in the street that hates green lorries, if we're searching for reasons to make it fail. we aren't searching for any reasons to make anything fail. Im no luddite , and im extremely interested in alternative technologies. However , im also no blind cultist worshipping at the climate altar , and im simply pointing out the maths and the technology dont add up. But only one side of the equation each time. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 16:56:15 GMT
again you appear to be cherry picking select figures to give a positive impression of driving an ev. For example, to fit an ev charger at home , the estimated price is around £1000. To get the 6.9p per kilowatt , it looks like eons standard variable day rate and standing charges are higher than what my current supplier is charging me. so when you take all the factors into consideration , running an ev looks incredibly expensive , buying or leasing incredibly expensive , and the infrastructure extremely poor in terms of charging away from home. the economic argument doesn't stack up , unless of course the government prices petrol and diesel off the roads to make the excessive costs of driving an ev look reasonable , which im sure will be the plan. Im also reading insurance premiums for vehicles are going through the roof because of the expense of repairing electric vehicles. My charger came free with my car, it was fitted for £440. If you are trying to do comparisons I suggest you do them, rather than throwing stones into the pond in hope of muddying the water. im simply going by this.... www.checkatrade.com/blog/cost-guides/electric-car-charger-installation-cost/ |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 16:58:51 GMT
again you appear to be cherry picking select figures to give a positive impression of driving an ev. For example, to fit an ev charger at home , the estimated price is around £1000. To get the 6.9p per kilowatt , it looks like eons standard variable day rate and standing charges are higher than what my current supplier is charging me. so when you take all the factors into consideration , running an ev looks incredibly expensive , buying or leasing incredibly expensive , and the infrastructure extremely poor in terms of charging away from home. the economic argument doesn't stack up , unless of course the government prices petrol and diesel off the roads to make the excessive costs of driving an ev look reasonable , which im sure will be the plan. Im also reading insurance premiums for vehicles are going through the roof because of the expense of repairing electric vehicles. If you are trying to do comparisons I suggest you do them, rather than throwing stones into the pond in hope of muddying the water. sorry again im not with you. How am I muddying the water telling Steve to read the small print about overall costs? Ive been trying to change supplier now for the last year or so , im on a standard variable rate contract free , and I cant find cheaper than what im paying , for duel fuel. Only an idiot would take out a contract with an energy company without checking what his total cost would be rather than some headline rate about cheap car charging. |
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