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Post by vinny on Jul 8, 2024 9:26:32 GMT
If you categorise all who come here illegally as refugees, and try to put up everyone, it will not stop the drownings, it will actually cause more drownings.
Killing with kindness is still killing.
Saving lives with cruelty is actually the only way to go.
First, share intelligence with Interpol on the smuggling gangs and take collective action.
Secondly make this country unappealing as a destination by having asylum processing camps on currently uninhabited islands.
Only those who actually qualify as refugees will be given proper housing.
Thirdly, actually deport illegal immigrants from safe countries.
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Post by dappy on Jul 8, 2024 12:58:13 GMT
A lot of that is incoherent Vinny.
The answer is very simple -
1) move asylum claim point from Dover to Calais
2) I don’t really mind where applicants are processed as long as it is humane and adequate. Do it in overseas if cost effective.
3) Agree with France that anyone who chooses not to report at Calais and still arrives by unconventional methods is returned to France
4) Invest in claim processors so decisions are made quickly
5) To appease the right, set maximum number of successful applicants each year at 50,000
6) successful applicants get three months state accommodation and then are expected to fare for themselves.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 8, 2024 13:05:05 GMT
A lot of that is incoherent Vinny. The answer is very simple - 1) move asylum claim point from Dover to Calais 2) I don’t really mind where applicants are processed as long as it is humane and adequate. Do it in overseas if cost effective. 3) Agree with France that anyone who chooses not to report at Calais and still arrives by unconventional methods is returned to France 4) Invest in claim processors so decisions are made quickly 5) To appease the right, set maximum number of successful applicants each year at 50,000 6) successful applicants get three months state accommodation and then are expected to fare for themselves. Fare for themselves when they have no right to work just means more crime. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 13:19:43 GMT
It's easy to post 'Agree with France' but why would France agree to something to their disadvantage?
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Post by Orac on Jul 8, 2024 13:41:39 GMT
It's easy to post 'Agree with France' but why would France agree to something to their disadvantage? They wouldn't Which is why 'agree with France' is code for 'let France empty their problem into the uk" |
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 13:44:07 GMT
France sees it as we present a massive attraction for economic migrants and it's our fault they get loaded with them in the North. They do have a point.
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Post by dappy on Jul 8, 2024 14:25:02 GMT
A lot of that is incoherent Vinny. The answer is very simple - 1) move asylum claim point from Dover to Calais 2) I don’t really mind where applicants are processed as long as it is humane and adequate. Do it in overseas if cost effective. 3) Agree with France that anyone who chooses not to report at Calais and still arrives by unconventional methods is returned to France 4) Invest in claim processors so decisions are made quickly 5) To appease the right, set maximum number of successful applicants each year at 50,000 6) successful applicants get three months state accommodation and then are expected to fare for themselves. Fare for themselves when they have no right to work just means more crime. Not sure you read this properly. Three month limit is after successful asylum application - at which stage they are refugees entitled to work. We accommodate people while application is being processed ( here or overseas) of course. |
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Post by dappy on Jul 8, 2024 14:26:53 GMT
It's easy to post 'Agree with France' but why would France agree to something to their disadvantage? France wants the Calais situation resolved. The quid pro quo of setting up a reporting stage in Calais which France want is that anyone who ignores it would be returned. I suspect France would accept that deal. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 14:33:23 GMT
Well let's see
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Post by vinny on Jul 8, 2024 21:50:09 GMT
Dappy, they're drowning in the Med crossing to Italy and Spain, and Greece. The EU are not doing enough to stop the gangs. They know how to do more.
They know how to identify the smugglers, they know how to arrest, try and prosecute the fuckers.
All too often they're allowed through.
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Post by Orac on Jul 8, 2024 22:05:22 GMT
Dappy, they're drowning in the Med crossing to Italy and Spain, and Greece. The EU are not doing enough to stop the gangs. They know how to do more. They know how to identify the smugglers, they know how to arrest, try and prosecute the fuckers. All too often they're allowed through. They are in cahoots - as are parts of the UK government |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 22:12:42 GMT
This country is often portrayed as right wing because of opposition to illegal immigration the reality is we are seen as a soft touch and those supposed right wingers were long term labour supporters now portrayed as racist.
The eu is seen by some as so much more humane than us and again the reality is far right are on the rise much more than here and who is at fault for that?
I’ve said this elsewhere as far as movement of people is concerned we ain’t seen nothing yet and hard decisions will have to be made.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 6:19:42 GMT
The problem would be substantially solved by European governments making it clear that they would do what they could to prevent entry and them do what they could to eject anyone who shouldn't be in the territory. However, European governments are not on 'our side' on this issue and it';s obvious they aren't
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 9:32:48 GMT
Dappy, they're drowning in the Med crossing to Italy and Spain, and Greece. The EU are not doing enough to stop the gangs. They know how to do more. They know how to identify the smugglers, they know how to arrest, try and prosecute the fuckers. All too often they're allowed through. They are in cahoots - as are parts of the UK government And your evidence for that is just what? |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 9:42:33 GMT
They are in cahoots - as are parts of the UK government And your evidence for that is just what? The most basic stuff isn't happening despite the public repeatedly demanding firm action - that stance takes a force |
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